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09 April 2003 @ 08:18 pm
random angel wishfulness  
No spoilers. Adapted from an e-mail I wrote to a friend...

It'd turn my crank if they finally discovered a way to get around Angel's pesky curse and sex him up for the network by having him bed Spike, who would never in any way make him happy--at least not according to the many fanonical examples we have to that effect, though I've seen contrary mention in regard to actual canon. (Epiphany contradicts this? Huh. I skimmed the script but I'm not seeing where it does, and memory fails me.)

Vampire relationships are interesting, because they can be taken for granted, in a sense; they're familial even when sexual, and they don't necessarily interfere with the characters' feelings for other people. The writers could do all sorts of playful stuff if they wanted--tease us with little hints, like they did with Willow and Tara. I'd be thrilled even if they never came out and actually said there was vamp action, but just gave us such gifts as an unexpected, oddly timed glimpse of Spike in Angel's room, pulling on his shirt--or maybe a shirt of Angel's, borrowed after a gooey mission, so that we could evade explicitness, except then Angel comes shirtless and barefoot from the bathroom.

See, I know I sound as if I'm on crack, but my feeling is that if you're winding down a series, you can take more chances. Go wild, right? And I, at least, was surprised by the explicitness of the themes explored in LMPTM, which I use as an example of how ME can still startle me even at this late date. But yeah, I'm insane, I know--I mean, is there any chance they'd give us hot homo vamp lovin' when they demoned up Cordelia without ever taking advantage of it? Poor undersexed Angel.

Half an hour to "Shiny Happy People." High point of my day. I am watching the clock....


 
 
 
Tuesday Has No Phones: angelbotthebratqueen on April 9th, 2003 08:52 pm (UTC)
Eiphany proves that Angel can have sex without perfect happiness, and therefore get his groove on w/o losing the soul (prior to that ep we had no onscreen proof that he could even so much as masturbate).

The dialogue in question:

DARLA
Well, I don't accept this. You
cannot tell me that wasn't perfect.
Not only have I been around for
four hundred years, I used to do
this professionally and that was perfect!

She reaches for his hand, tries to drag him back to the bed.


DARLA
We'll go again.


ANGEL
(not moving)
We can't --
(tugging away)
You know we can't. We're finished.

She whirls on him. Stares. Standoff.


DARLA
Finished? Why? Because you suddenly
decide? An hour ago...
(re: the sex)
You wanted this! I didn't seduce you.
You weren't tricked into anything.
You wanted this!


ANGEL
Yes. And it was perfect, Darla.
(then)
It was perfect despair.
Anna S.eliade on April 9th, 2003 09:04 pm (UTC)
Hmm. Now, see, the page I was pointing to was saying: 100% Fanon: That Angel can have sex with demons and not break the curse. This is incorrect. Being a demon has nothing to do with it. It's whether or not he experiences perfect happiness. (Epiphany)

Which I don't see necessarily contradicted. Maybe Darla thinks she can bring him perfect happiness, but isn't it quite possible that it's something Angel can only achieve with a human, someone who isn't tainted?

Hmmm.
Tuesday Has No Phones: angelbotthebratqueen on April 9th, 2003 09:14 pm (UTC)
I can see where you'd get there from here, but I think the onscreen stuff still supports the idea that there is no demon loophole. Granted in the world of "Dru is actually Spike's sire" that isn't to say ME won't come back at a later date and go "No, we meant a demon loophole the whole time, really we did" but until it's onscreen what we have is nothing but perfect happiness. No "Perfect happiness.... unless it's a demon and in which case Angel's heretofore unknown species issues become a factor".

Besides, that's even covered by this season - "Awakening". Angel dreams of having sex with demon Cordy and loses his soul. If, as you and others have suggested, demons have a "taint" to Angel - well it's Angel's dream and one designed to force him to picture perfect happiness. At no time does he mention being glad Cordy's human again so I'm thinking still no onscreen proof for demon loopholes.

Still not sure why they're necessary though since we do have plenty of onscreen proof that A-man can do the wild thing. So as long as, for example, someone wrote Spike/Angel where Spike wasn't suddenly Angel's soulmate, there'd be no canon contradictions.
peasant_ on April 9th, 2003 11:35 pm (UTC)
Never trust that fanon/canon list - it's a better attempt than anyone else has made and makes a good starting point but when it comes down to the nitty-gritty it just isn't 100% reliable. Too many sweeping generalisations about things that are very much a matter of interpretation. Plus they don't give clear enough references that you can work out just what their evidence is.
sparkledark: jamessparkledark on April 9th, 2003 09:42 pm (UTC)
I'd be thrilled even if they never came out and actually said there was vamp action, but just gave us such gifts as an unexpected, oddly timed glimpse of Spike in Angel's room, pulling on his shirt--or maybe a shirt of Angel's, borrowed after a gooey mission, so that we could evade explicitness, except then Angel comes shirtless and barefoot from the bathroom.

I love this idea. Love.
sisabetsisabet on April 9th, 2003 10:52 pm (UTC)
I adore this idea as well - it'd be like the X-files in season 3.
still lavender from the block: scorewickedprincess3 on April 10th, 2003 12:47 am (UTC)
::reads post:: Re reads post:: Prays that there is world in which this would happen::
God we didn't even get to see Angelus score. I think the Darla sex thing (and what I assume most slashers go by) is that perfect happiness doesn't equal orgasms. He felt if w/Buffy because of all the happy puppydog love-ness of it. Whereas with Darla it was really just a good fuck. Happy but not the contentment of the perfect happy
But hey probably wrong.