Anna S. (eliade) wrote,
Anna S.
eliade

Vampire Starfish and LMPTM

Herself and I were talking about vampires and amputation the other day. (Of course you were, Anna.) Our positions can be summed up thusly: Herself--AmpuYay! Anna--AmpuNo! Not in a kink way, of course, but in a consequences way. (And yet see me run away from her and hide.) So here are some of my thoughts on that, and I'm gonna make her post her own here if she wants to refute me. {g}

Re Spike's scar, I said: Yeah, [it's odd that he has it] though I've always thought that since he got that from a slayer's sword, the weapon might have been specially blessed or something. I used to like to think the scar was in the shape of a cross, which might explain it also, but I'm not sure that it is. I haven't studied it for a while and don't know where I got that idea. I wrote a snippet--posted it recently--where Giles tells Spike that holy scars are psychosomatic. Then again, you know, Spike might simply have been so proud of a scar left by a slayer--might have wanted to be able to point to it in bars and brag about where he got it--that he had Dru carve it fresh again and again until eventually it stopped regenerating.

Re: canon and regeneration for vampires. (Herself: Do I remember something about a vampire girl being a virgin every night, or is that from fanfic?)

That's gotta be fanfic. Heh. Well--I could be wrong. It's not from Buffy, but I suppose it could be something from Angel I don't recall. There's not much in canon about regeneration, except for Spike in the wheelchair. And really, if a *spine* can regenerate, there's no reason not to think a limb could. It'd probably be very slow, though, which still lets you have your limping Spike for a long while--would also be facilitated by regular feeding (so that if he didn't feed well, it might never grow back), which of course helps explain why there'd be so little evidence of amputee vamps--most of them wouldn't have anyone who cared enough to hunt for them and would be killed as useless, or caught, or starve into a husk, or get knocked off by demons, or whatever.

Moving on.

And now, finally, my few, scattered thoughts on LMPTM, because I actually did make notes and was just too lazy to post. I was a bit feverish, so the tone of breathless excitement in the following bits dates back to that night. {g}



My immediate post-game analysis:

Am I the only one who is just...guhhhhhhh. I just want someone to lean against, prop me up for a while as the adrenaline rush wears off. I'm almost literally shaky. I'm kinda turned on. Testimony to writing and acting and some-ineffable-wonderful-effulgent-thing, let me tell you, because that wig, man, could have killed a blind girl's love.

On the ending:

That was so amazing, that they allowed that. I guess we can be damn sure now that Giles isn't an agent of the first, if we were still in doubt. (Though, still--if this is the extent of his ambiguity arc, I am falling into the "lamest attempt at a fake-out *ever*" camp.) And, hello, Jossed *again*, this time by, well, Joss, because--is it terribly tacky to get excited and yappy when one's plotlines parallel canon? nah, screw it--because I was going to do the exact same freaking thing with the noir, eventually, and am only saying so now because I pretty much abandoned the idea a while back. But Giles and Angel were both going to end up in Sunnydale, and conspire with Xander to kill Spike--they plot together and then corner him in an underground cave off the Initiative, and when Buffy finds out she flips her lid and rips the three of them a new one, putting herself in front of Spike to protect him in one of those bursts of Buffy loyalty and fierce love that can leave us all breathless once in a while.

But fuck. I prefer having someone else write for me and push my buttons--especially when it's Mutant Enemy and they film it for me too.

Buffy! She didn't *need* to declare her love in so many words, because it was so fucking there. We're going back to the beginning indeed--she acts with Spike now just the way she used to with Angel and doesn't even realize it. I'm not sure anyone else quite gets it either. Giles, for instance, sees the emotion, but doesn't see its depth; but he also sees *only* the emotion and doesn't see that she has maturity now and would in fact sacrifice Spike if she had to, along with anyone else, e.g., Dawn. She's amazing. I can't believe Giles underestimated her. She's already a fucking general. I guess he was the one who learned that lesson.

And Spike...man, is he fucking perfect for her or *what*? The beauty of those last several conversations--Spike talking to Wood, Spike to Buffy, Buffy to Wood. It was just...utterly perfect. I can't even put into words how much it hit home, hit this nail right into my nerves. I mean, there's this whole type of story, this gestalt of characters and situation--it's one hundred percent pure kink mainlined in to the vein. The story has to have imprinted on me deeply at some point because I recognize it: the battle is nearing, the hero is gearing up, and her lieutenant is this dark antihero despised by everyone, recognized as necessary and valuable only by the hero herself--he's the demon on a leash ("our strongest warrior") and he tolerates the abuse of her people until one day he snaps and comes into his own and says no more of this shit, and instead of turning on him, the hero backs him up. God. That whole thing where he'd kill Wood, and she'd *let* him--that's so fucking sexy it gives me chills. It doesn't matter that she would hate him if he did; you don't have to think about that, because it's not that Spike would kill. It's the *license* she gives him, her own personal demon, to stride about freely and to defend himself--with that free will he was talking about. It's all about actualization. Which is a dry term, but describes what happened tonight perfectly.

God. Apparently I am capable of blithering at length. Trying to describe all the stuff in my head about what I just watched I feel eroticized with words.

On the nature of demons:

It's interesting that you used Holden as an example that gives lie to the party line [no true vestige of the personality remains], given that Spike sired him. One might find that particularly interesting after last night. Maybe there *is* something special about the boy. Have we ever seen anyone else that Spike has sired other than the staggeringly well-actualized Holden?

And here's a question: what the fuck? Why Sleeper? Why make Holden? Why the trigger? There is still no real point to that significant chunk of Spike's S7 arc, in my mind. In fact, it hasn't stopped bugging me how little sense that ep makes, taken for what it is so far--all of it, about having Spike kill again so soon after resoulment. Last night helped clarify things a bit in my mind, as I realized that they'd had him kill under the FE's sway while enchipped so that taking the chip out would be a lesser decision for Buffy to make--i.e., what difference does the chip even make when he can *already* kill by whim of the FE? Might as well go, since it's killing him. Still, the point of it all remains nebulous and I think that there's got to be a whole slew of revelations to come beyond what we got last night--about what his role was supposed to be for the FE, maybe even about vampire nature, and his in particular.

Other things I jotted that night but never got around to collecting into a post:

Who are Buffy's truest fans?

  • Those who want a spin-off *now goddamn it, now*!
  • Those who have learned from the X-Files and are crossing themselves and praying there will never be a spin-off, and do we really want to see Spike age any further anyway?
  • Those who have learned from the X-Files and are crossing themselves and praying there will never be a spin-off, but who fucking know they'd be there every Tuesday *anyway* until the bitter, bewigged end.

    That was not decaf TV. I am wound UP.

    Giles stalls Buffy the way Angel stalled her back in S2. Funny she still falls for that--this time because she trusted him. Giles has "turned," however, the way Angel turned to Angelus, and though she's long past losing her innocence, she she will lose something else because of this. So, Giles is Angel; Robin Wood is Dru; and Spike is in the role of Kendra. The swapping out of Robin and Spike is fascinating, given that Spike takes the place of a black slayer, while Robin takes Dru's place as deliberate killer. Spike does have more of an affinity with Nikki even now than Robin ever would have had.

    Poor Robin--if his mother hadn't died, if she'd stayed around for another ten years or so--he'd have grown up to be one fucked-up son of a bitch, I think. I bet he'd have rebelled against her at some point. Like a preacher's son, he might have sought to be the antithesis of everything his mother stood for, repudiated the mission and acted out all the terrors of a teenager, but to the tenth power. Might even have succeeded so well in being bad that he sought out the company of vampires, gotten in over his head, and eventually gotten himself turned. Instead, grief fired him up, tempered him and made him a hero, albeit a vengeful one.

    I thought it was amazing that they worked so many dramatic strands together into the conflict, one of which had to do with slayer nature, about how the mission comes first, above everything and everyone else. And they cut no slack--Nikki wasn't what most of us would want in a mom, but Robin was way too young to really get that, and he can't extrapolate now to what his life would have been like.

    Giles: I was really afraid that Giles was just going to trick Buffy outright until it was too late, and that perhaps he would play it so that she never found out his involvement. Instead, he used the time to try and prepare her for what was going to happen; he made his culpability very clear. I imagine people are incensed at what he did, but we know that the capacity for ruthlessness is there--it's not just "Helpless" we should look to of course, but "The Gift." It could be a huge rift between Buffy and Giles; it's also possible that in time she'll acknowledge that he was trying to do what he thought was right, in the same way that Robin *had* to try and fulfill his own drive for vengeance against what killed his mother. I mean, the lesson Giles was trying to impart was exactly what Buffy already knew, so their philosophies are aligned--it's just that Giles chose the wrong end to demonstrate his means.

    [And there ends my incoherently organized blather, for what it's worth.]




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