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25 March 2003 @ 08:28 am
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Truly random Buffy thoughts:

Xander resurrects Buffy at the end of season one; at the end of season six, he's a carpenter and he's ready to give himself up to save the world. There's a subtle continuity there. However, in season one, vampires can't breathe--in season seven, that's questionable. Why no continuity on something so elemental?

I'm often stunningly indifferent to the obvious, and have only just realized that the First's parade of spectres tormenting Spike early in the season were in fact all the Big Bads from seasons past: the Master, the Mayor, Adam, Glory, Warren. Dru stands in for Angelus, Willow doesn't factor, and Buffy's appearance suddenly becomes mysteriously significant. I guess I was distracted at the time trying to find everyone's relevance to Spike, and they all have one, even if tangential, which is interesting--the mayor's being the most tenuous, as he merely referred to Spike during his brief S3 visit.

Related to Big Bads, it occurred to me the other night that in every single season, we get what might be called a secondary hero--secondary to Buffy--who plays some key role that you may not even think of as traditionally herolike. In season one, Xander saves Buffy, thus contributing directly to Buffy's success in slaying the Master; in season two, Willow resouls Angel, making Buffy's victory more certain, if slightly too late; in season three, everyone contributes ensemble-style to kill the Mayor; in season four, ensemble again to defeat Adam (huh, that's interesting); in season five, Giles kills Ben to ensure Glory's defeat, but as in season two, it's still too late--a portal has opened and some kind of sacrifice is necessary--Buffy this time instead of Angel (and hey, I never noticed the symmetry of *that* either); in season six, it's of course Xander who saves the world outright, taking the spotlight entirely (though in actuality Willow defeated the Geek Trio after flipping from hero to antihero, so you could say it's a shared spotlight).

On an entirely different note: look at who has been ritually bled to open the seal--Xander and Spike. What's that about? And what does it mean that Xander's closure with Anya was achieved in Spike's bed? After he'd declared himself gay, by the way? What's *that* about? Heh. I love how if you elide certain facts, you can twist a story to your ends in so many ways.

This season, Spike moved in with Xander, Xander came out of the closet, and Xander had sex in Spike's bed.

What? It happened.

I waver between a vague sense that they will end this season with some kind of metaphysical closure (for instance, closing the Hellmouth literally), and a suspicion that they will instead shake the world up hard and start fresh with a reinvented mythos of good and evil, slayers and vamps. I lean toward the reinvention idea because I think they are banking on a new series down the line. Barring that, I really believe that ME has the presence of mind to consider their fans, and would enjoy leaving the playing field open for fan-fiction.

God, I need to wake up. I *must* do something with my brain today. I can feel it kicking at the inside of my skull, whining to be let out.
 
 
 
_: bitevalerie_z on March 25th, 2003 08:39 am (UTC)
However, in season one, vampires can't breathe--in season seven, that's questionable. Why no continuity on something so elemental?

They messed that up a little at the end of Season 2, where Spike strangled Dru until she passed out. Then, in AtS (I forget the episodes, Season 3 I think), Angel tries to strangle Darla, and she laughs at him, specifically pointing out that she doesn't breathe. Different show, yeah, but it's the same mythology.

Oooo, here's a thing I'm reading too much into. It has been explicity shown that Spike (S7 'drowning') and Dru (S2 strangling) do breathe, while Angel (S1 no-CPR-guy) and Darla (AtS strangling) don't. It could be a statement on their characters. Or just a statement that I need to stop goofing off and get to work here.
Dammit, Clark's penis is going in *something*.: shun!thete1 on March 25th, 2003 09:30 am (UTC)
Oooo, here's a thing I'm reading too much into. It has been explicity shown that Spike (S7 'drowning') and Dru (S2 strangling) do breathe, while Angel (S1 no-CPR-guy) and Darla (AtS strangling) don't. It could be a statement on their characters. Or just a statement that I need to stop goofing off and get to work here.

I've taken it as a statement on their characters, specifically Spike (thoroughly modern) vs. Angel(us) and Darla (thoroughly not). (The Dru thing I don't count, because I think it wasn't about oxygen so much as cutting off the supply of blood to the brain.) Anyway, Angel has been repeatedly shown to just not *do* the human thing. That whole thing in IWRY about eating, whereas Spike eats all the time. So, I've taken the breath thing to be more about Angel failing to cope with his human side than anything else.
sisabetsisabet on March 25th, 2003 10:49 am (UTC)
I think it wasn't about oxygen so much as cutting off the supply of blood to the brain

But there is no circulation, therefore no blood to the brain. Doesn't explain the erection though. Damn confusing mythology.
Dammit, Clark's penis is going in *something*.: wes/faiththete1 on March 25th, 2003 11:05 am (UTC)
*snicker* Okay, so it doesn't make sense. But still.
Roz Kaveneyrozk on March 25th, 2003 01:49 pm (UTC)
A critic speaks...
Forced to think about this, I don't actually regard this as a problem, somewhat to my surprise. Just like blood, breath in the Buffyverse is magical as well as literal. Vampires do not breathe and yet can speak and can smoke, yet they cannot share their breath with others in e.g. CPR. They have breath, but not the breath of life. Sticking Spike's head under water tortures him not because he needs to breathe but because it makes clear to him that he does not need to to survive - it is forcing him into contact with the necessity of his condition. Or something like that.
Dammit, Clark's penis is going in *something*.thete1 on March 25th, 2003 04:28 pm (UTC)
Re: A critic speaks...
*giggle* I'll take your version any day...
harmonyfb: blood wipeharmonyfb on March 25th, 2003 11:55 am (UTC)
But there is no circulation

But there has to be circulation, because otherwise they wouldn't bleed when you stuck 'em. Don't know how to reconcile that with no heartbeat, but there you are...
sisabetsisabet on March 25th, 2003 12:03 pm (UTC)
Re:
Maybe they don't bleed so much as drain...
sisabet: seedsisabet on March 25th, 2003 09:02 am (UTC)
This season, Spike moved in with Xander, Xander came out of the closet, and Xander had sex in Spike's bed.

I love how your mind works.

I have a mitten and a chicken puppet!: crumbs!tzikeh on March 25th, 2003 09:12 am (UTC)
just realized that the First's parade of spectres tormenting Spike early in the season were in fact all the Big Bads from seasons past: the Master, the Mayor, Adam, Glory, Warren. Dru stands in for Angelus, Willow doesn't factor, and Buffy's appearance suddenly becomes mysteriously significant.

Will also doesn't factor because she's never been dead, so the First couldn't assume her form. All the others are dead/have been dead. And notice the Big Bads went in reverse order of appearance, too.
Disgracelandsdisgracelands on March 25th, 2003 09:19 am (UTC)
If wishes were horses...
have only just realized that the First's parade of spectres tormenting Spike early in the season were in fact all the Big Bads from seasons past: the Master, the Mayor, Adam, Glory, Warren. Dru stands in for Angelus,
If only Angelus had stood in for Angelus. Called him 'boy' a couple of times, touched him a ho-yay-ly inappropriate manner. If only...
still lavender from the blockwickedprincess3 on March 25th, 2003 09:32 am (UTC)
Re: If wishes were horses...
Angelus. Called him 'boy' a couple of times, touched him a ho-yay-ly inappropriate manner. If only..
I adore the way your mind works. MMmmmmmn. Naughty touches between Crazy!Spike (still nummy in a crusty way) and FE!Angelus (ok non-corporeal but such stupid plot conceints should not stand in the way of slash-tastic smut)
maggiemarguerite_26 on March 25th, 2003 09:33 am (UTC)
I’m all for manipulating facts to make an argument.
This season, Spike moved in with Xander, Xander came out of the closet, and Xander had sex in Spike's bed.
I’d like to add:
Spike is forced to come out of the closet by Buffy and Xander’s likehood of attracting male demons is noted.

Oh, how about using “you have sex with every partner your partner’s ever had”
Spike/Anya + Anya/Xander = Spike/Xander
It’s simply math really.

Rashka the Demon (wolf in the cave): happy birthday!rashaka on March 25th, 2003 05:58 pm (UTC)
Interesting recaps of the seasonal connectiosn fo the heros. I never really thought about the portal thing, but there was symmetry in that. Maybe a lesson not to push people into portals--- you'll end up going head first into one within 5 years yourself?

This season, Spike moved in with Xander, Xander came out of the closet, and Xander had sex in Spike's bed.


:g: This reminds me of my psyche teacher talking about correlation studdies. Sure, it's a bit supiscious when the annual crime rate and the annual sale of lightbulbs follows the exact chart line... but does this mean that every time a light is replaced, a criminal gets his rocks back?

I'm more interested in the fact that they both fed the seal... somewhere under or in the earth, their blood has mixed. There's some fun spell ingredients.

totally made up that lightbulb-to-crime statistic thingymajigg, btw.