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05 February 2005 @ 07:34 pm
holy shit...  
I just picked "Need" half at random because I truly remembered only the fluffiest, most amusing stuff--like Daniel all dressed in his pretty robes, swinging his legs on the dais. But god. This episode is SG at its best: the first few acts are funny, but with a dark thread running through it, harsh moments as when Daniel accuses Jack of never respecting him, and then when you think the entire ep will be set on the planet with SG-1 trying to get out of the mines and Daniel lording it up, he's like, "Oh yeah, we'll be leaving tomorrow." And they do! And instead of the ep being a simple escape plot, it twists and darkens and it's all about Daniel's sarcophagus addiction and the stuff it dredges up--brutally offhand comments about his wife, about how he's never felt at home on Earth, cruel jabs at Sam, and increasing violence that climaxes in the terrible beating of a guard and that amazing closet scene between him and Jack when he holds the gun on Jack (not to forget that earlier full-body tackle when Jack lands astride Daniel on the clinic bed to pin him down, by the way) and Jack confesses to understanding drug addiction and Daniel cries in his arms while Jack rocks him.


Now I remember why I got so feverish about this show at one time.
Current Mood: omg, actually giddy!
sef1029 on February 6th, 2005 03:46 am (UTC)
(giggling) If I get to claim responsibility for luring you back to Stargate, I want some major points toward my BNF!

Anna S.eliade on February 6th, 2005 04:33 am (UTC)
You will get many brownie points! With caramel goo running through them. And nuts if you want them. *g*
nestra on February 6th, 2005 03:47 am (UTC)
that amazing closet scene between him and Jack when he holds the gun on Jack (not to forget that earlier full-body tackle when Jack lands astride Daniel on the clinic bed to pin him down, by the way) and Jack confesses to understanding drug addiction and Daniel cries in his arms while Jack rocks him.

Ohhhhhh, yeah. That was good.
Anna S.eliade on February 6th, 2005 04:34 am (UTC)
The make-up comfort sex was good too.
WesleysGirl: Jack/Danielwesleysgirl on February 6th, 2005 03:52 am (UTC)
I've seen less than 30 episodes of the show. That ep is one of the first ones I saw, and I remember all of that stuff about it, too. It's such a powerful episode that it, I think, couldn't possibly belong to a show that wasn't damned good on the whole. You don't get that lucky if you don't know what you're doing.

I don't see how any slasher could walk away from that episode without seeing what potential Jack/Daniel has.
Anna S.: brianeliade on February 6th, 2005 04:35 am (UTC)
You know, I only just remembered that this used to air on *Showtime*. Why they couldn't just have the hot gay sex is beyond me. I mean, cross SG1 with QAF, right?
nestra on February 6th, 2005 04:49 am (UTC)
Oh, my god, Brian Kinney would eat Daniel for dinner. And then Daniel would surprise the hell out of him.

*brain explodes*
Anna S.: brianeliade on February 6th, 2005 04:56 am (UTC)
Surprise him how? Details, woman, details!

(You could also detail the eating-for-dinner part. Visualize, visualize...)
nestra on February 6th, 2005 05:05 am (UTC)
Um. Early Daniel, maybe, when he could still pretend to be wide-eyed. And he'd wander into Bablyon and manage to look out of place yet completely lickable. Brian would immediately peg him as his next conquest. A little dancing, a few casual touches on his chest, a hand slung around his sweaty neck, and it would be too dark to see if Daniel was blushing, but Brian would assume he was. It'd be easy enough to get him into the back room, but Brian would be prepared to do some persuading to get Daniel down on his knees. He'd know that he could make it happen, but he'd have to sell it. Except two steps away from the wall, he'd find Daniel's hand on his shoulder, pushing him back, and Daniel kneeling down, not even caring what was on the floor, unzipping Brian's pants and not looking nearly as wide-eyed as he'd been just a minute before.

Something like that.

Of course, if you wanted to write your own version...
Anna S.eliade on February 6th, 2005 05:08 am (UTC)
OHMYGOD are you trying to KILL me? ohmygodohmygodOHMYGOD
paperk8: spikecutouticonpaperk8 on February 6th, 2005 04:37 pm (UTC)
Meg: victory marchsage_theory on February 6th, 2005 03:54 am (UTC)
Early Stargate was so slashtastic.

And can I just say that The Serpent's Lair is also another episode that totally deserves your admiration?

Daniel touching Jack's head after they die in "The Nox". And let us not forget the thread of *jealousy* and *denial* and angst that runs through "Past and Present" because that conversation in the hall with Daniel? That's *all* about their love.

Question: have you tried Stargate: Atlantis?

It's like early SG-1 with better hair, a little more sophistication, and my *god* the snark. There are at least ten pairings that are going on and if you want dark threads? See "The Defiant One" or "Hot Zone".

Plus, McKay is basically what would happen if Sam and Daniel had a truly snarky, smartassed, citrus-allergic, socially inadept, completely beautiful and insecure child and named it Rodney.

- Meg
Anna S.eliade on February 6th, 2005 04:22 am (UTC)
I tried watching SGA but failed out after a few eps. I'm willing to give it another shot though. I missed the early adopter boat, which is a shame, because the actor who plays McKay was on my radar long before--I'm sure--he was on anyone else's in the world. (Okay, I'd just like to think so. *g*) I was primed to love it, so...yeah. I should try again.
Meg: teh_rodneysage_theory on February 6th, 2005 04:41 am (UTC)
Eh, the first few eps were take or leave, I admit. But once you get to past "The Eye" woah. Cause then there's slash. (McKay and Sheppard in "The Defiant One" or Beckett and Ford, take your pick) and then wheeeeee "Hot Zone". Hot Zone will also make you wrench and squirm if you love Rodney McKay at. all.

I fear pimping more, because I don't know what your stance on spoilers is. But Stargate: Atlantis is definitely becoming worth a second look. Many things improve after "The Storm"/"The Eye".

I dunno how far back your David Hewlett love goes. But I liked him back in "Where the Heart Is" (not the winceworthy Natalie Portman movie!) where he got to dress up as an angel and *god* he looked so good. Personally, I think David Hewlett needs to be in drag more often.

- Meg
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Anna S.eliade on February 6th, 2005 04:20 am (UTC)
I love the schizophrenia ep! I wrote a post about it back, I think, when I was blogging--all about Daniel's oh-so-gay butterfly hand gestures and the squeeworthy angst and how metaphor-rich it was for "closeted gayness." Ah, yeah. I have to rewatch that.
scrollgirl: sg-1 j/d love is love delectableoomphscrollgirl on February 7th, 2005 06:20 am (UTC)
"Closeted gayness"? I remember liking most of "Legacy" but maybe I forgot to bring over my metaphor-glasses from Jossverse because I'm not really sure what you mean by this. Can I ask what you mean? (I'll also try to find your older post.) Thanks!
Anna S.eliade on February 7th, 2005 05:31 pm (UTC)
Oh, I regretted the clumsiness of that comment after I posted it--there's no real elaborate metaphor. :( I really just meant to say that the scene had characteristics that made me think of the classic "gay man put away in an asylum" sort of trope--where gay = crazy. The way he was acting seemed to play that up, all the delicate hand gestures and inverting body language. I wish I could find my old post, but it eludes me!
scrollgirl: sg-1 j/d the light neatgrlscrollgirl on February 7th, 2005 08:16 pm (UTC)
Verrry interesting. Now I need to go re-watch "Legacy" to see how the ep plays out for me with that trope in mind.

As much as I adore Stargate and think it can be nuanced and layered at times, I don't see the kind of deliberate play with metaphors that's characteristic of Joss shows. But perhaps they are there, lurking!
Pouncer: Danielthepouncer on February 6th, 2005 04:34 am (UTC)
I remember watching Need (in sequence, after SciFi started showing them on Mondays) and being astonished at the sheer slashiness and darkness of it all. The scene in the closet? I couldn't believe my eyes, almost.
Anna S.: seattleeliade on February 6th, 2005 04:37 am (UTC)
I can't believe how much had fuzzed out of my mind--with the ep turning out to hold so many surprises even rewatching. And now I'm watching "The Light" and it started with a guy suiciding in the wormhole as it opened. Didn't remember that. Jeez. It's sad that the show got so staid.
elz: and thereforeelz on February 6th, 2005 05:43 am (UTC)

Hee. I caught up with the whole series last year, and every few episodes (well, particularly in the early seasons) there'd be something that made me blink and wonder if fandom was starting to cause hallucinations. Because when they are slashy they are very, very slashy, and the show as a whole was actually much better than I'd thought it would be.
Destina: love2(v) by Xdestina on February 6th, 2005 05:52 am (UTC)
How can you have forgotten the slashy goodness of Need??!! Wow, girl! You have been away too long. *g* *breaks out the love icon*
Nashnashmaveric on February 6th, 2005 07:54 am (UTC)
Used to watch it in England. I kinda liked it but when I came home I kinda lost interest. Maybe I should start watching it again...
Estepheiaestepheia on February 6th, 2005 08:13 am (UTC)
Which season is Need in? Some of my friends own the DVDs, so maybe I can borrow their set...
Anna S.eliade on February 10th, 2005 03:04 am (UTC)
"Need" is in season two. Watch, watch! :>)
Trepkostrepkos on February 6th, 2005 10:50 am (UTC)

I was so pleased to see I was in such good company after Thamiris' little joke...
tafkarfanfictafkarfanfic on February 7th, 2005 05:21 am (UTC)
the fluffiest, most amusing stuff--like Daniel all dressed in his pretty robes, swinging his legs on the dais.

Funny - for me that was one of the CREEPIEST moments. He's got this blank stare, and he's obviously not listening to Jack, and it reminded me of every junkie I've ever known.
Anna S.eliade on February 7th, 2005 05:45 pm (UTC)
It is creepy. Creepy funny. Er, I sometimes have a twisted sense of humor...? *g*