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29 October 2003 @ 03:26 pm
ships I have sailed.  
Stealing a meme from mpoetess and a subject line from obsessedmuch. I love cataloguing myself....



Jossverse pairings I write & have written

Stories:

Spike/Buffy
Willow/Tara
Buffy/Riley
Xander/Anya
Spike/Xander
Willow/Oz
Willow/OFC

(As a side note, I thought seriously for a long time about writing Dawn/Giles into noir, but I think I've safely moved away from that idea now, so I guess I can spill those beans.)

Snippets, Drabbles, & Challenges:

Spike/Riley
Spike/Giles
Spike/Angel
Spike/Lorne
Spike/Willow
Riley/Giles
Xander/Lindsey
Xander/Riley
Tara/Anya
Spike/Wes
Spike/Anya/Xander

Mere Fantasy:

Spike/Riley/Xander
Spike/Wes/Xander
Spike/Lindsey
Spike/Gunn
Spike/Fraser (dS)

So, right, what does this say about me as a writer? Very into canon. Most BtVS slash doesn't make it from my head to the page. Will, however, pair Spike with anyone, the shiny little whore. Little to no interest in femme slash. Also not much interest in Faith, Ethan, Cordelia, Fred, Dawn, Dru, Darla, et al, as romantic characters. Can go both ways with Willow: Oz and Tara, equally fine. Bifictional in other areas too. Am no B/A shipper, though I take their history for granted when writing.

But my writing tastes--even my fantasy tastes--don't perfectly reflect my reading tastes. As a reader I have favorite pairings, but I often have a flavor-of-the-month thing going on at any given time, so my focus can vary a lot. Like, I still love Spike/Buffy, but I don't go looking for it so much anymore, don't pounce on every new story, don't read it as widely. With Spike/Xander, I'll pounce on anything. Spike/Wes is my flavor of the month, so ditto. I am inclined to pay attention to Wes/Gunn, Spike/Angel, Angel/Lindsey, and Angel/Wes. And S/X/Anya is a menage a trois that still hasn't been done full justice--I mean, it seems so ready-made, and yet there aren't that many good stories.

Despite the insanity, I would love to read a Spike/Lorne story that was well-written, plotted, funny, plausible, canonical in feel, and would make everyone in fandom sit up and go *whoa*. Notice I don't want to *write* it. I'm saying, I want to reeeeeeeeead it.

I have all sorts of weird, idiosyncratic opinions on pairings based on whatever I've read to date, and now I will offend you all with them. Like, Xander/Angel is rarely of interest to me; I just find it hard to believe that Angel would ever latch onto Xander that way, except as Angelus, to torment him for a while before killing him--and even then, we've seen his absolute disgust when Dru was all bewitched and bothered over the boy. Plus it's a pairing with a huge, uncomfortable power imbalance and while you might *think* I would like that, I find Angel's brand of power overbearing. Again, this is why I'm a late convert to Spike/Angel and why I'm inclined toward stories where Angel is protective and perhaps uncharacteristically kind to Spike, even though I am willing to believe that in canon reality, Angel mostly dislikes him.

Buffy/Xander seems to be a favored pairing of fanboys, and there can be a certain whiff of Gary Sue to some B/X stories. Not all. I've read a few good ones.

Buffy/Spike/Angel isn't really a thing of mine. And I think I'm realizing now, just this moment, that I'm not into love triangles. I find the emotions predictable and not all that interesting, and I think a strong love-triangle vibe--admittedly based in canon--often underlies B/S/A. Jealously, Spike and Angel scrapping, Buffy the uneasy object of their affections, readers placing bets and trying to decide who is the more manly man. Yawn. I like threeway relationships that are all shmoop and usually all slash. (Except for S/X/A, which is all sex.) I especially like threeway ships where one character is all damaged and needy and the other two are all big-brotherly and chivalrous. Except, with the hot man-sex, not so brotherly.

I can see Giles/Buffy if I tilt my head a certain way; I find Giles slash more likely. He's so obviously bisexual; coded that way in canon. I have a sneaky fondness for Giles/Oz, can see Giles/Spike even though Giles might loathe him, and don't see Giles/Xander at all, though I know others do.

Things like my sad Spike/Lorne yen should keep me more or less humble, but even so I sometimes scoff a little scoff at pairings on the far end of unconventional spectrum; when a Connor/Dawn shipper list was announced a long while back, I cried, "What? the? fuck?!" (Sorry.) But then there's always at least one writer who will offer up a great story with a pairing you never see coming, like that Spike/Fred WIP I totally can't remember the title of (very sorry!), written well before Spike was even a gleam in the eye of the AtS writing staff. I'll read pretty much anything at least once, and one great story is usually all it takes to slap me upside the head and give me respect for a ship. (E.g., Spike/Andrew.)

I've just realized...I was agreeing earlier with thamiris that "...I don't even need outright critical comments to go into fits of insane insecurity; the proximity of others' general likes and dislikes is enough." And here I am posting in just that vein, guaranteed to twist at least some of you fellow neurotics into anxious fits. Maybe. Anyway...I don't know why I'm here today. Talking about meaningless stuff like this distracts me from my existential post-lunch crisis. When I go home tonight I'll have to ride my laptop for a few more hours to make up for my shirked work. Because I'm a wonderful employee.
 
 
 
Brassy Hagmiggy on October 29th, 2003 03:43 pm (UTC)
Huh. I'm realizing that the only threesome in fic I've ever really, really liked is Julian/Miles/Keiko (from DS9), when Julian's all broken up about being a genetically altered freak and they play the stable forces in his life. Same points you made about threesomes, just in a different fandom. I guess I just haven't found one of those in BtVS.
Barbrahirah on October 29th, 2003 04:06 pm (UTC)
I've read threesome stories that I found diverting (some S/X/A, some S/W/T) but none that made me go GUH. I've decided that my real OT3 is the B/S/A story that hasn't been written yet: a huge plotty epic that explored all three characters thoroughly, and spent a lot of time getting them into a place where they'd even consider such a thing. And Angel would NOT be the Big Daddy Spank he usually is in B/S/A fic, but, uh, different. But still Angel. And it would acknowledge the huge, huge divide between the romanticised version of each other B&A have and the reality. And there would be a cool A plot where something really neat was going on and there would be lots of other characters doing stuff!
Anna S.: spikeeliade on October 29th, 2003 04:16 pm (UTC)
Big Daddy Spank

I love you.

And I would totally read a B/S/A story like *that*.

By the way, this is completely the wrong venue, but I thought I'd tickle you with feedback on PoM, such as by noting how much I love this: "Wesley lurked around the fringes of their lives like a wolf at the edge of a campfire, yearning to be tossed a bone but too proud and wounded to come into the light." And *all* the A.I. stuff, including Cordy's frustration over their stalled relationship and her sense of being aged before her time. And: "you'll always be my sire." *shmoop!*

And: "With a complaining rumble, Spike burrowed deeper into the covers in a futile attempt to run sleep to ground. Buffy shook him again, and he flexed beneath her hand, a pale crescent of spine and shoulder against the rich wine and gold of the sheets. He uncoiled in a long, languorous, toe-curling stretch. Fangs extended at the apex of a jaw-cracking yawn, then receded as his eyes blinked from yellow back to a blue that exactly matched the accents in the sheets. Damn, but she'd picked one decorative vampire." (Siiiiiiiiigh.)

Also, in the vein of adoread and adorable Spike: "Life in the Summers household in a nutshell. Sometimes the crowded, feminine bustle drove him snarling out into the night, frantic for a spot of aggro. Other times...it couldn't be denied that having four girls to spoil, and to be petted and spoiled by in turn, went down a treat. Still, William the Bloody didn't pick out his kit based on whether or not his lady love thought it made his eyes look dreamy." That just makes me so happy. It's a little odd, given what a slash ho I am, but the image of Spike as the masculine heart of household of indulgent and indulged womenfolk makes me very happy. :>)
Barbrahirah on October 29th, 2003 03:52 pm (UTC)
I realized the other day that as pairings go, I'm a huge canon ho. I may interpret the relationships very differently then ME ends up doing, but I generally stick to the established couples, and I get downright testy when people ask me to kill off so and so or break up such and such. Aside from the "I'll do as I damned well please!" factor, I always feel as if it's cheating, somehow, to kill off a character or break up a couple solely for the purpose of getting a favored couple together. And I feel much better about UC pairings where both parties are fancy free in canon.

All of which is completely illogical, of course, considering I'm currently writing a story with a potential Tara/Vamp!Willow/Kennedy triangle.
Anna S.eliade on October 29th, 2003 03:54 pm (UTC)
All of which is completely illogical, of course, considering I'm currently writing a story with a potential Tara/Vamp!Willow/Kennedy triangle.

Well, not really, as the cornerstone relationships are in fact canon. ;)
still lavender from the block: meep! veela (bonibaru)wickedprincess3 on October 29th, 2003 04:04 pm (UTC)
Spike/Fred WIP I totally can't remember the title of (very sorry!)
Rapunzel by jodyorjen?
Anna S.eliade on October 29th, 2003 04:08 pm (UTC)
Yes! :) Thank you.
squeeze me, stomp me,  make me winemoosesal on October 29th, 2003 06:00 pm (UTC)
I have to agree that most OT3 fics have problems. But there is one that I love and can read again and again - Domestic Piranhas. The Angel/Wes/Gunn in this is so funny. And sweet. And I love the development of the characters in it. (Of course, the fact that the main story is Spike/Xander doesn't hurt.)
The Larch: pear (sirenicons)the_larch on October 29th, 2003 07:34 pm (UTC)
I like it when you catalogue yourself, too.
This wins my award for best post of the day. You such a lovely ficcy goddess.
(Anonymous) on October 30th, 2003 09:44 am (UTC)
ships you have sailed
About Tham's post and your response, I speak as one of what must be thousands of us anonymous folks who rarely communicate yet thrill to the latest slash gorgeousness. (Yes, we take and take and never give back.) What you two have conveyed is quite stunning actually. I always imagined all you lovely writers as brave and fearless and compelled to write only what the muse commanded (even if you took suggestions). That's certainly the way it should be because the really great writers make us their bitches, and it isn't the least bit painful to us. You writerly writers do what you want and we discerning bitches take it or leave it and are thankful for the gift. The silent voices of bitchdom are many and varied and I think we know that while a particular pairing in a particular position might be our favorite, another written by the best can unexpectedly send us over the moon.

I am not a part of the "community" at all, so I read none of the criticism or the praise which damns you because it is faint. I only know what is wonderful and good and true. A writer who writes such loveliness, as do you, carries me anywhere she wants me to go. In my complete and total submission, I will follow anywhere. I have no expectation what the next story will be about. My expectations are not preconceived. I await the juicy surprise. I thrill to go where I never imagined I would. If the kink is not mine I am not disappointed, put off, let down or disillusioned. I simply wallow in the exquisiteness of the writing (writing filled with grace such as yours is) and wait for the next flavor of writerly cake. Good writers make favorite pairings irrelevant. And I don't think any of us lowly readers have only one kink.

In sum, baby, do what you want to do, knowing it's not about the superficial details, it's how you write it. We are out here silently worshipping you and whatever your delightfully sordid unconscious decides to gift us with. I don't want you to write what I think I want. I read you because I want to rejoice in you, your gift, and the possibly unexpected thing that is tripping your trigger at that particular point in time. Long live us accursed, silent, strokeless, thrill-seeking fanatics. We just want you, darlin'.