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25 October 2003 @ 11:04 am
amazing story recs  
I'm going to get in touch with my very apropos loserness and just make this one short and sweet because...what to say? It makes me all giddy: Shrift's S/X story, Loserville, 98k of glorious snark and kissage and all sorts of more. You can pet Shrift in her journal here.

Also, Jenn wrote an absolutely amazing QaF Brian/Daphne story, Echo, and so I read this and all of a sudden it turns out I love Daphne far more than I'd realized, and will apparently accept the natural and inevitable sex that must follow when *anyone* is pulled into the sizzling orbit of Brian Kinney. And then I read Josselin's sequel to this, Steps, and that was another heaping slice of *wow*.

I've wondered before whether I'd be discomforted if a trend of hetting up the gay characters of QaF started to appear--like, would I have a double standard when I go around slashing the ostensibly straight characters of other shows? But good fiction is good fiction; as long as it stays true to the characters, there is no bad.

(Also, as a side note, see me trying to offer a term for reverse-slashing gay characters, so to speak--"hetting up." I mean, does that term really work? It seems like it could imply an attempt to make over the characters as purely heterosexual. Even Emmett's little "see the light" arc in canon was obviously not trying to convince us of that (though the *character* was trying to convince himself of that). So that begs the question to me of what it means to "slash." I think most non-slashers assume that it means to just take a straight character and say, "Poof! You're gay!" But in fact, any good author is writing in such a way as to adjust a character's setting on the Kinsey scale with far more care. Okay, sometimes you're actually reworking the canon context to support a gay reading--e.g., with Jim in The Sentinel, it's not at all hard to see him as a closet case a lot of the time. On the other hand with a character like Spike, it's just a matter of filling in the blanks. If a vampire was jonesing for a convenient fuck, would he really care about what type of naughty bits he was taking in hand? And then you can wander off from there.

Good slash stories don't try to invalidate the previous or canonical sexual experiences of a character--they just expand on them. Anyone writing Xander should know better than to try and claim he never *really* crushed on Willow or that every minute he spent with Anya he was filled with deep loathing. Because, bullshit. But there's still plenty of subtext to tweak there. Tweak his subtext and his nipples perk....

I've posted about this on BBF before, I recall. Maybe I will dig that out later, after IHOP, in the hopes of making more sense.)

Meanwhile, Kat wrote 20 wonderful reasons why she loves Benton Fraser and this post of mine is 4 reasons why I love LiveJournal.
 
 
 
Herself_nyc: unhappyending's Spikeherself_nyc on October 25th, 2003 12:03 pm (UTC)
So interesting. I haven't read the stories yet, but while watching the rise of QaF fic in these parts I did wonder if anyone would slash those characters by pairing them somehow with women. Because if slash writing is about the thrill of transgression, then where's that thrill when writing about canonically gay characters? It's only natural therefore . . . but then as you say, there are political implications in putting a gay man in bed with a woman because this touches on all kinds of real world stuff that conventional slash just doesn't.

Looking forward to these stories.
I am not the fine woman you take me for: Brian/Justinwrenlet on October 26th, 2003 07:16 am (UTC)
there are political implications

Lots of implications... and unfortunately, the kind of implications that make it really hard to write well. I mean... well, slashing up the canonically-het is usually written as a freeing experience: even in cases where homophobia and self-doubt and personal prejudices get confronted -- within the slashed characters and in others -- the general "feel" is that that it's a step forward, the character claims something that has always been true.

Hetting up a gay character (in a relationship, not as a one-off instance) is limiting, stepping back. Unless they were actually always bi, but I would guess if they tended to bisexuality, they most likely would have started with the opposite sex anyway.

I'm not saying it can't be done, done well, and be entertaining. Obviously, in the right hands just about anything can be done. But I think it's vastly more challenging and, if it ever took off as a genre, prone to heaps of really, really, eye-gougingly-bad fic.
Josselin Kohljosselin on October 25th, 2003 12:07 pm (UTC)
I have to say that when the Brian/Daphne first appeared (actually, drunken Daphne/Brian/Justin appeared first, here), my gut reaction was that it was just wrong. After reading the fic, I was also a convert. It would be very different, of course, if someone was trying to do a shippy het pairing in QaF, instead of a one-time thing. I don't think anyone could convince me to go for that, though if Jenn or Starla tried it I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and read it, at least.

After reading all the Brian/Daphne and Brian/Justin/Daphne, I am noticing that Daphne's season one mistake was clearly in asking Justin to be her first. She should have asked Brian, or better yet, Brian and Justin together. Think of the threesome footage we are missing out on because she was stupid. I'm rather bitter.
Josselin Kohljosselin on October 25th, 2003 02:44 pm (UTC)
So I think too much...
"Poof! You're gay!"

One evening, when Brian and Justin were dancing at Babylon, with metallic confetti streaming down at usually, a whole cluster of confetti or something--some sort of powder, definitely--fell down in a giant cloud right over Justin's head.

He had an allergy attack.

When he had finished wheezing and coughing and could breathe again, he looked at Brian and began to get a puzzled expression on his face. "Brian, I feel kind of strange."

"Strange, how?" Brian questions, wondering if a packet of drugs was what exploded.

"Like, different," Justin elaborates helpfully. "And...claustrophobic. Can we get out of here? All these sweaty guys," he wrinkles his nose distastefully.

Brian agrees to leave, and they go back to the loft. After drinking a bottle of water, Brian pulls Justin towards him and starts to kiss him. Justin pulls away, shrugging Brian off. "What?" Brian says.

"I'm not interested," Justin says.

Brian rolls his eyes and leans in to kiss Justin again, but Justin ducks away. "No, seriously, I'm not interested."

"What are you fucking talking about?"

"I don't want to have sex with you." Even Justin himself appears somewhat surprised by this statement.

"What are you pissed about now?" Brian asks, deciding he needs to pour himself a drink.

"I'm not pissed," Justin protests. "I'm just not turned on."

"Not turned on?" Brian echoes incredulously. "You're how old, again?"

"I just can't picture having sex with you right now," Justin says. "I mean, I know we've done it before, and it was good, but, just..." he trails off with a telling shudder.

Brian is staring at him dumfoundedly. Justin continues. "But I think Daphne's really attractive. I mean, that just occurred to me right now. Have you noticed that?"
Dio: tara.amber1diachrony on October 25th, 2003 03:39 pm (UTC)
Re: So I think too much...
*snickers*

That was too funny and cute. hee hee.
I am not the fine woman you take me for: Brian/Justinwrenlet on October 26th, 2003 07:17 am (UTC)
Re: So I think too much...
You know what really kills me in this one? The allergy attack. HAHAH!
I am not the fine woman you take me for: Brian/Justinwrenlet on October 26th, 2003 07:34 am (UTC)
Think of the threesome footage we are missing out on because she was stupid. I'm rather bitter.

GUH. *falls over*

Have you seen QaF-UK? At one point, Nathan pipes up that sure, he'd do a threesome with Vince and Stuart, and I thought, Oh no, we are not that fucking lucky. And we're not. Dammit.
Josselin Kohljosselin on October 26th, 2003 11:11 am (UTC)
Despite actually living in the UK, I have never seen QaF-UK. I should probably remedy that.
Sophia: my fandom (fannish)sophia_helix on October 25th, 2003 12:21 pm (UTC)
Good slash stories don't try to invalidate the previous or canonical sexual experiences of a character--they just expand on them. Anyone writing Xander should know better than to try and claim he never *really* crushed on Willow or that every minute he spent with Anya he was filled with deep loathing. Because, bullshit.

Right, and anyone who tries to invalidate the Willow/Oz relationship, or the Willow/Xander crushage, by saying that, hey, she was really just gay along and finally figured it out...

Oops. That sounds familiar. ;-)

Bad, bad Joss/ME! No cookie!

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