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17 October 2003 @ 10:59 pm
Dude, part 2.  
Oh my god--how could I have fogotten that Wes was in a wheelchair in Angel season 2? Spike. Wes. Eeeee!

Also, I recently rewatched all those really steamy Wes/Lilah scenes--not to mention the episodes they came packaged in--and I think I melted some small but crucial part of my body that I don't think can regenerate. I'd forgotten how jaw-droppingly guh they were. The scene where Wes obliquely tells Lilah to take off her panties during a meeting, and the one where he tells her to shut up and she says "Make me" with so much relish that it makes sweat break out on your skin as if you've eaten a chili pepper and then how Wes begins going down on her as we...cut...to the next...scene. And all try to remember to breathe.

And now--*now*--I am watching Lindsey strip off his lawyerly skin and put on his shitkickin' boots in preparation for beating the shit out of Angel. And *that* scene, of that hammer-wielding, sweet-ass, shit-stomping devil boy--that takes about two years off my life, exploded away by the sheer power of squee, but those were years that I probably would have spent in my own wheelchair, drooling and eating creamed corn, so no great loss. (He whupped on Angel *one-handed*! The sledgehammer made those lovely *smashing* sounds!)

Oh, and now Angel has rescued Wes from the Skilosh (this is "Epiphany" I think) and they're driving along in Angel's convertible and Wes is deliving yards of exposition with dry, perfect diction while Angel keeps interrupting with awkward compliments offered in a self-effacing way, hoping that Wes will forgive him without needing an explicit apology. Hee.

It's really amazing how much Wes's pre-scruffy prissiness was defined solely by the Worst Haircut Ever and a stiff, vaguely sarcastic tone. (And the sweater vests!) Also, his frown, I think. He frowned in a certain way then--pinched brow--and held his mouth differently; whereas when he went Dark Wes, my impression is that the basic cast of his features shifted into an attitude of such deep cynicism that he looked calm, almost Zen, the way that certain Hong Kong action heroes look in highly operatic "heroic bloodshed" martial arts movies. A very John Woo style of dark heroism.

God, Wes talked so differently back then too, in earlier seasons: at a higher pitch, forming sounds and words within his mouth rather than from the depths and back of his throat. (I know there must be a proper linguistic term for those two types of vocal delivery.) Dark Wes has a kind of low, rough, sexy murmur thing going on, not quite a slur, but the words are more drawn out--delivered with level care, with a gravel quality. Basically, I think he's speaking more slowly.

Ooh. Now he's trading a high-five with Gunn and giving the Sweetest! Smile! Ever! I must stop typing and focus on the squee.

ETA: Listening to Angel's speech to Kate at the end of "Epiphany" is fascinating and rather disturbing when you compare it to where he is now, mentally, emotionally, spiritually. And then there's Angel saying to Wes: "I want to work for you." And his willingness to efface himself for his friends, including Gunn, and--cutting for Angel 5.3 spoiler-- --and as I was going to say--effacing himself all around, when three years later Angel is casually slapping down Gunn the way he might just another low-level employee. I have been meaning to post about that; did anyone else find that scene to be one of the more discomforting elements of "Unleashed"? Not necessarily out of character, since when it comes to personal bonds, I think Angel's bond with Gunn is one of the weakest. But there was some serious disrespect going on there.
Jimmy Petstore: next up: christmas!snoopypez on October 17th, 2003 11:07 pm (UTC)
I forgot he was in a wheelchair too! Hmm. Anyway, you're spot on, as usual. Dark Wes definitely speaks slower, deeper. How awesome is Alexis with all of that? He was able to revert right back in Spin the Bottle. :D

His haircut wasn't that great, no. ;P

Lastly, just thinking about the Wes and Lilah sex scenes is just.. guh. I find it harder to breath normally. Heh.
gwynnega on October 17th, 2003 11:22 pm (UTC)
I love your Wes squeeing/analysis.

Saw the Wes/Lilah "Make me" scene again last week, and it knocked the breath out of me...
twi: Faith - saavatwistingflame on October 18th, 2003 01:50 am (UTC)
Your squee makes me squee! And dude, I can't believe you just brought in John Woo movies - and it made perfect sense. *grin* Alexis' talent is truly under-appreciated. Watching the old eps it's like a totally different character. He gradually moved it to the darker bit, and now it's a lovely mix. So good.

And also, that Gunn bit made me pissy at Angel, too. Even though you're right and it wasn't out of character. Grr.
[Law]treacle_a on October 18th, 2003 06:45 am (UTC)
the way that certain Hong Kong action heroes look in highly operatic "heroic bloodshed" martial arts movies. A very John Woo style of dark heroism.

Oh so very true. I remember an article that referred to Chow Yun Fat in 'The Killer' as the 'cold, black-eyed assasin'. Cold black eyes? Turn me on why dontcha.
Tuesday Has No Phones: spikeonangelthebratqueen on October 18th, 2003 06:58 am (UTC)
Just had to say I love that icon.
Tuesday Has No Phones: BFFthebratqueen on October 18th, 2003 06:57 am (UTC)
Epiphany was the one that got me writing Angel/Wes in the first place because I watched that car scene and literally called up stakebait to scream into her answering machine "Would Angel and Wesley JUST FUCK ALREADY????" And thus a series from a story that was supposed to be a one-off was born.

The slegehammer scene is the guh. I hung out on the TWOP boards at the time and remember so many people posting about how much guh it was while one or two people (poss including Strega) were like "It was a scene of violence and you all thought it was sexy? What the Hell is wrong with you?" While of course I'm wondering how anyone doesn't see the sexy in it.

And hee hee hee! You're noticing Wes's accent differences too. Now do the pop quiz and rewatch s4 and notice when he does accent and posture changes in certain scenes to indicate when he's channeling his old self (Spin the Bottle doesn't count for obvious reasons). AD is such an amazing actor and they do not pay him enough.

Did you ever see Tim Minear's comment on the scene when Lindsey opens up his closet and Darla's clothes are gone? Tim's post: "Damn, Darla stole all of his drag outfits."
KitanotJames: Starfuckerkitanotjames on October 18th, 2003 11:35 am (UTC)
Angel is at his creepiest when he's casually nasty. Like with Gunn. It doesn't foreshadow anything good.
(Anonymous) on October 18th, 2003 12:04 pm (UTC)
I am helping someone create a Mulder/Skinner archive, and though I saw that you don't mind if we link to your stories, I just wanted to make sure that it was kosher.


RivkaTrivkat on October 18th, 2003 01:21 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the memories. Wesley's response to "make me" is so uncliched -- weren't you expecting a kiss on the mouth? -- that its hotness doubles. Isn't it funny that Wesley, who canonically has some troubles with misogyny, is clearly the best in bed of all the boys (with women at least)? And it's interesting that you bring up Lindsey, who has the same smoldering sex appeal -- even with Lilah in a few scenes. They both have feminized names; Lindsey gets symbolically emasculated ("Let me wipe away the tears with my *plastic hand*" remains possibly my favorite Angel line ever) and Wesley gets penetrated, albeit only by a bullet; both have reason to blame Angel, but both only seem to love him/obsess over him more. I'd almost rather have Lindsey back than Lilah, though I'd have to pick Lilah in the end just because there need to be more strong women on the show.
Anna S.eliade on October 20th, 2003 09:31 pm (UTC)
I've read your comments a few times and I still can't find anything intelligent to say--all I can say is, "Cool!" *g* Love the stuff about their names and about the penetration/emasculation. I hadn't noticed that. Joss does odd things with names, doesn't he? "Buffy" is so very deliberate, as is "Angel." The Janus face of William/Spike is a big thing. Willow briefly becomes "Will" when she turns gay (at least in the mouth of nervous Buffy). Also we're given, as you point out, men with girly names--Angel, included--and girls with boyish names, like Fred and Will(ow). Gunn's name is the first thing mentioned when Cordy & Wes meet him; they dither on about how it's a tough street tag, then learn his name is Charles *Gunn*, not "Gun."

("Let me wipe away the tears with my *plastic hand*" remains possibly my favorite Angel line ever)

Rebecca Lizard: 3rliz on October 22nd, 2003 04:38 pm (UTC)
> Gunn's name is the first thing mentioned when Cordy & Wes meet him; they dither on about how it's a tough street tag, then learn his name is Charles *Gunn*, not "Gun."

Not to mention how Fred always called Gunn "Charles"-- that kind of freaked me out, I mean, to call someone you're supposed to be in love with by the name he's deliberately chosen not to use. Even if you're Southern and therefore call intimates by their first names (a fan explanation I was offered by, I think, minim_calibre), it's practically a hostile speech act. I never quite understood why ME chose to do that.
Anna S.eliade on October 25th, 2003 04:16 pm (UTC)
I like your thoughts about hostile speech acts. I've been thinking about that on and off for a few days now. Fred has a very formal, Southern mode of address at times, which is all the more ironic at times when she's supposed to be on very intimate terms with Gunn.

Also since your comment I've been thinking about Spike & Gunn and imagining circumstances in which *Spike* would call him charles, because somehow that seems like it'd roll much more naturally off his tongue than "Gunn," something about the name being so richly rolled when delivered in his British accent. Also, I can imagine him having acquaintances named Charles back in the Victorian day, and so I think he'd be able to use it as a form of address without any twitch or off-key note. Er...in my head, I mean. *g* In canon, he'd probably enunciate it a bit archly, the same way he does "Rupert."