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08 October 2003 @ 10:13 pm
Angel: Just Rewards  


I don't have a lot to say about the things I'm all confused and ambivalent about.

You probably all know I am deep and sticky with the Spike Love, so when I see him all old and wrong and old and get upset about this, it's not because I don't respect him, it's because I *do*. Spike is supposed to be 26 and beautiful forever.

I'm incredibly shallow. So the first summary for the ep I have is: Angel's hips and waist were incredibly slim. So why did his shirtless torso look so beefy?

Ambivalence again.

Spike huddling in on himself for no apparent reason. Annoying and distracting.

Unsurprising plot twist with Spike playing bad and serving good.

Spike & Fred. Sigh.

Spike's dialogue? Sucky.

Spike in Angel's bedroom: thank you.

Fred, telling Spike that he should go to *Wes*, because *Wes* is the *real* expert: YES, YES, YES. Please listen to her, you bleach-blond, shrimp-for-brains ectoplasmic-challenged berk. Please go lick Wes and make him your bitch, okay? Thanks.

Still no explanation of why Wes recongized Spike.

Gunn: very snazzy in his suit. Finally noticed and liked the hair this week. The whole "suddenly smart" deal? Sigh.

Lorne: non-entity.

Wes: not enough to do.

Angel & Spike: overused. Unsurprising.

Harmony this week? What. Ev. Er.

Spike & Angel's banter and issues? Predictable. Needed more wackiness, unexpectedness. The routine of Canon Bible is affecting the writers. They need to snap out of it, but it's probably too late for them. (Hope it's not too late for me. Is noir becoming boring and predictable? Must punch it a few times, try to mess it up.)

The idea of Spike with a death wish as rendered here: I am dubious, feeling dissatisfied. And then in fact he *really* wants to live. Or whatever. As thebratqueen says so much better, what the fuck is this guy's motivation?

The whole episode was like watching a tolerable writer work with tolerable material. Nothing exceptional, a few goodies tossed to the audience.

And oh my god--the dialogue looping? I know it wasn't just me and my transmission. Becaus Jesus Christ, it fucking sucked. It sucked *so* *fucking* *much*. Mostly on Spike's dialogue, but on several scenes w/Angel as well. That shit needs to stop right now.

Maybe I was too drunk to appreciate this episode. But I think I'm going to go to bed and fantasize about Eternally Young and Beautiful Spike with Tender Wes for a while.
 
 
 
Mintwitchmintwitch on October 8th, 2003 10:19 pm (UTC)
Nope, it was dull. Even UGF thought so, and she's the Angel fan in the house. I, at least, had the fun of trying to pick BtVS canon out of it, to chew on. And then I spit it out, because it was flavorless and hard, like old gum. Le sigh.
Destinadestina on October 8th, 2003 10:20 pm (UTC)
But I think I'm going to go to bed and fantasize about Eternally Young and Beautiful Spike with Tender Wes for a while.

When you wake up, could you write some of it down? And then, um. Share? Pretty please? *g*
Brassy Hagmiggy on October 8th, 2003 10:24 pm (UTC)
Thanks to having no WB in the area, I was watching Jake 2.0 instead of AtS. That show is also filled with tolerable material as presented by tolerable writers, but at least it's in a new universe.

Maybe I'm not so sad about not having the network in the area. I can take the spoilers and spin them into my own particular favored flavor of mental cotton candy.
Bright!  And shiny!: Floppy!Xander by Gortheadcalendae on October 8th, 2003 10:24 pm (UTC)
I think the looping was the worst as they walked in the hallways at W&H. Just horrible. I just don't think the sound people have figured out how to do the whole "West Wing" walking and talking thing. Also, JM's accent was inconsistent in parts or the looping made it seem even more inconsistent than normal.

I'm really liking Gunn and his suits.
Estepheia: Angel & Spikeestepheia on October 8th, 2003 10:31 pm (UTC)
I've only seen the work prints so far, but I enjoyed the episode. The acting in the opening scene sucked, but as the epi progressed I thought things improved.
Besides, I'm just happy the show is on the air again. I'm counting my blessings, I guess.
JM is unfortunately getting old. Sad but true (but hardly his fault). Still think he's pretty. If necessary I can go into denial mode.
I'd have made him human if I were ME, because of the whole aging business.
Whatever. I enjoyed the epi. Saw it three times. No hardship.
Anna S.eliade on October 8th, 2003 10:38 pm (UTC)
I can't believe you've seen it 3 times already. You are so funny. You crazy wench. *g*

I would *totally* have made him human! Yes, my god. I am not sure how clear it was, circa May or June, that this was my desperate, finger-twisting hope about the fall season of Angel. It's nearly unbearable to me to watch the vampires age.

I really need to stop wittering on anxiously and obsessively about it though as I'm likely to annoy so many people....
Estepheia: Angel & Spikeestepheia on October 8th, 2003 11:39 pm (UTC)
I can't believe you've seen it 3 times already. You are so funny. You crazy wench. *g*
I had the episodes 2 weeks ago! I think 3 times is positively restrained. Also, I'm currently writing Spike/Angel with slashy subtext, so I had to do my homework. LOL.
SilverJaimesilverjaime on October 9th, 2003 03:54 am (UTC)
No Estepheia - don't make it sub-text!!!! Make it in-your-face, hard-core TEXT!!! Please!!
Estepheia: Angel & Spikeestepheia on October 9th, 2003 05:09 am (UTC)
But.... they can't touch, for god's sake! *wails*
Oh well, maybe... LOL.
SilverJaimesilverjaime on October 9th, 2003 05:37 am (UTC)
oops!
I forgot about that! .......... well maybe - lots of longing/remembering.....leading onto touching when Spike gets his bod back!
LOL
KJVkjv31 on October 8th, 2003 10:37 pm (UTC)
I'm incredibly shallow. So the first summary for the ep I have is: Angel's hips and waist were incredibly slim. So why did his shirtless torso look so beefy?

< carson kressly > The flat-front pant is the most flattering style for men. It makes you look slimmer. < / carson kressly >
KJVkjv31 on October 8th, 2003 10:38 pm (UTC)
Pretend that I spelled it "Kressley".
Anna S.eliade on October 8th, 2003 10:39 pm (UTC)
Hee. You know his last name! You are adorable. And your icon is for joy. ;)
Essene: ghostspike by behindblue_eyesessene on October 8th, 2003 10:46 pm (UTC)
Still no explanation of why Wes recongized Spike.

He's been running in and out of Wes' dreams for so long now, fucking him silly and then leaving that I'm quite frankly SHOCKED that Wesley didn't rush into his embrace upon seeing him!

No really, I figure that with Wesley's Watcher education came some boning up on most of the the more viscious vamps. Spike would be one of those. At least that's how I've worked the incongruity out.
KJVkjv31 on October 8th, 2003 10:52 pm (UTC)
Did Giles have to look up Spike when he first appeared in 'School Hard'? If not, it might be an early indicator of Spike's notoriety amongst the Watcher's Coucil...
A carbonated fusion beverage!swmbo on October 8th, 2003 11:14 pm (UTC)

He did - and they didn't have a lot of information at all until Angel gave them details. On the other hand, later on in Season 5 a watcher mentioned doing her thesis on Spike - if we fanwank it so that she did that thesis Season 2/early Season 3, Wes might have studied it before he moved to SD. Or of course, he quite possibly studied up extensively on Angel's family after he began working with him.

I still personally didn't buy that he recognized him at first sight like that.
Tieleentieleen on October 9th, 2003 03:27 am (UTC)
Or of course, he quite possibly studied up extensively on Angel's family after he began working with him.

I think that theory makes the most sense -- it seems very much like a Wes thing to do. I can't remember if he recognized Darla on sight, but even if he didn't, her coming into their lives might have encouraged some extra reading of family trees.
Tuesday Has No Phones: angelbotthebratqueen on October 9th, 2003 07:58 am (UTC)
Wes canonically knows Angelus's history like the palm back of his hand. And his "William the Bloody" intro was classic Wes "I'm quoting texts I've memorized". I think that's about all we're going to get for an explanation of how Wes knew who Spike was on sight.
Esseneessene on October 8th, 2003 11:34 pm (UTC)
I just checked the transcript (yes, I AM a geek) and Giles did have to look him up.

Oh well, it still works for me. I'm going with it. Otherwise it will slowly drive me batty.
it's just that you're unbearable: Spike...is everybody very stoned?fitofpique on October 9th, 2003 07:56 am (UTC)
Heeeeeeeeee! You said "boning".

I'm very tired. I'll go away now.
zvi LikesTVzvi_likes_tv on October 9th, 2003 05:20 am (UTC)
Um, wouldn't Watcher materials have included pictures of the second most notorious vampire ever? I know that often the Watchers were sucktastic, but I'm thinking it's not outside of the realm of possibility that they have Evil Vamp trading cards or some such. And they would probably especially make sure Wesley had seen pictures of Spike, since he had just been operating in Sunnydale before Wesley went there.
Another Girlseptembergrrl on October 9th, 2003 05:40 am (UTC)
This is what I figure, too. Plus, he might well have gone to Sunnydale at some point in the last few years, or been in contact with Giles. It's not like we get to see every single thing he does.
Tuesday Has No Phones: BFFthebratqueen on October 9th, 2003 08:02 am (UTC)
Ahh, so you were the one with the make Wes Spike's bitch line, not JH. My bad.

Well I'll be doing my best to write that for you too then. In a story which is apparently turning out to be the flip side of whatever it is you've got churning in your brain. Perhaps if we both write and then mash them together some form of slashy wonder twin powers will activate.

Or there will be lots of gay sex. Either way it's good.