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01 October 2003 @ 03:26 pm
Halloween, cont.  
How does the vampire--the one that Angel fights--get into Buffy's house uninvited?

Where is Joyce? Why isn't she at home handing out candy?

What the hell brought Ethan to Sunnydale on this mischief? His role in later eps isn't so difficult to extrapolate. But in Halloween, it's baffling. Sure, he worships Chaos, and okay, maybe the Hellmouth had allure for a pilgrim of the damned, but why open up a costume shop--which implies planning ahead to some extent--and turn a townful of kids into demons? What does this get him, in the short or long term? Did he know Giles was there? Was it deliberate provocation in the hopes that his old mate would look him up for some nookie? (And where does he go between The Dark Age and Band Candy? He isn't still in the area all that time, is he?)

Xander, re Angel and Buffy: "Give it up, Cordy, you're never going to get between those two."

Oz in the British van. Ha. I'd heard about it on one of the commentaries, but only now noticed it for the first time.

Ripper!
 
 
 
PROBE UNIVERSEliviapenn on October 1st, 2003 04:04 pm (UTC)
How does the vampire--the one that Angel fights--get into Buffy's house uninvited?

He's not a real vampire; he's a kid in a vampire costume. He *thinks* he's a vampire and he has bitey teeth, but since he's not actually dead/demon-infested, the rules don't apply.
Clioladyclio16 on October 1st, 2003 06:39 pm (UTC)
Giles/Ethan
I always thought that they were lovers in the past. It seemed pretty much canon to me.

I think that Ethan appearing in the Halloween ep was just a way to introduce him so we wouldn't be completely clueless as to who he was later. Or why Giles wanted to pound on him so bad. I think Ethan just likes to wreak havoc. He is all about the Chaos. He seems very immature to me, like he never really grew up. The proverbial Peter Pan.

Samhain (pronounced sowen) the traditional Halloween was all about dressing up so the monsters that crossed the veil when it grew thin that night wouldn't get you. They'd think you were one of them. I think Ethan was just playing on that theme. Dressing up is a way of escaping. So he twisted it.

I think it just tickled him. Most of the other things he does are really in that vein. The Band Candy thing was a hired job. Yet, he put a spin on it. Got to see Ripper again, as he once was. Turning Giles into the demon that time was in the same vein as fucking with Giles. He seems to get off on that. Throwing a little Chaos into Giles life.

Misha: lesbian geekmishamcm on October 9th, 2003 08:45 am (UTC)
Re: Giles/Ethan
Samhain (pronounced sowen) the traditional Halloween was all about dressing up so the monsters that crossed the veil when it grew thin that night wouldn't get you. They'd think you were one of them. I think Ethan was just playing on that theme. Dressing up is a way of escaping. So he twisted it.
Very interesting. Making note of this for the Halloween story I'm working on.
Clioladyclio16 on October 9th, 2003 01:11 pm (UTC)
Re: Giles/Ethan
Samhain is the night of the thin veil. The night when the veil between the worlds grows thin. Allowing things from other realms to pass over into ours. People would traditionally dress up or decorate there houses to scare off spirits or to make them think they were a spirit as well. That's about what I know about the tradition of it. You can probably look up more on the net on it.
caiathisficklemob on October 1st, 2003 09:33 pm (UTC)
I'm guessing that vamp was a high school kid dressed as a vampire, and therefore while it appeared to be a real vamp, it really wasn't, so the invite thing didn't apply. Wait, did Angel kill it?

Or, maybe Buffy not being Buffy meant the house was abandoned and enterable. Or something.

Joyce was probably being inexplicably "buying trip, gallery inventory" away as she was a lot in S2.

caia
Misha: mary suemishamcm on October 9th, 2003 08:48 am (UTC)
Where is Joyce? Why isn't she at home handing out candy?
Buffy says she's out for the evening, explaining to Willow that Angel can therefore come to the house.

Yes, I needed that detail for my story.