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28 November 2005 @ 12:45 pm
some thoughts on angel season five  
Simple thoughts, having finally watched most episodes in the second half of the season.



Fred's death: on one level, I couldn't connect. I mean, I just have trouble connecting emotionally to things on TV the way other people seem to. On the other hand, I was like: *nooooooooo*, god no, wtf, Joss?!!! You bastard! It was sad and awful.

Alexis Denisof spent the last half dozen episodes--hell, maybe the whole season and the one before--proving his burden of manly angst by never raising his voice above a whisper. It's Wes's 20-decibel angst. I mock because I--well, I just mock. I like Wes, but I thought he lacked vim in the latter half of season five, and of course in the first half he'd lost his memories and was more like Wes of yore, Wes 3.0 (versus raw and angry Wes 4.0).

He gets his memories back...and never says a word to Gunn. Am I right? I didn't blink and miss anything, did I? That was an especially ironic smack in the face when Gunn says to Angel:
Do you know what the worst part of that place was? Wasn't the basement. At least there, you knew where you stood. Demon was gonna cut your heart out and show it to you. Nah. It was the fake life they gave you upstairs. The wife, kids, all the icing on the family cake. But somewhere underneath it, there was the nagging certainty that it was all lies, that all the smiles and the birthday candles and the homework were just there to hide the horror. Is that all we're doing here--just hiding the horror?

Illyria was kind of a hoot. I wish I could find that post someone did where she's a customer service phone rep or receptionist. Does anyone have a link to that?

Angel and Spike: very gay, very old married couple. Joss and David and James were clearly having fun with that.

They shredded Spike's duster! ...and then got him a new one. *sigh* I still wish, probably bucking the fannish tide, that they'd changed his character more after he got resouled. Skewed him a bit back towards William, given him a different look and feel. Because for one, we know that his entire lower-class attitude was adopted and unnatural. Granted, he's spent a hundred years refining it, but with his soul back, I feel like some of it would have fallen away.

JM aging. Aging vampires in general. I'm really glad I finished watching the season with eighteen months' worth of emotional distance.

I probably seem like a terrible Spike fan. It's not that love is gone. I pretty much always had thoughts of this kind. I just try not to shove my more negative thoughts at fandom at inappropriate times, or at least not too often. And fan-fiction is a filter through which I sift away dross and irritations. Also, I'm just a wuss.

Lindsey: He was given the thankless job of exposition boy, explaining everything. Eve, too. And, Marcus Hamilton. (Adam Baldwin! Yee.)

The big picture, the Apocalypse (Lindsey: "*the* Apocalypse"), the convoluted explanations for it all that we came to expect from Joss: yeah, whatever.

The end of things: I liked it; I thought it was wrapped up very well. Wes dying was painful, and the solid certainty of it would be hard to get around in fan-fiction unless you went AU--though, then again, there are so many Hail Marys in the Jossverse (as Spike points out when they're trying to save Fred) that it's not out of the question. Ditto Gunn.

Really, though, it's hard not to believe that they all went down under the tide of demons that hit them. That was Angel's whole point--a kind of kamikaze fuck-you finger to the senior partners and TPTB.

And in conclusion: Evil puppets! o.o
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A carbonated fusion beverage!: feltlessswmbo on November 28th, 2005 09:12 pm (UTC)
It's all about the edutainment!
WHAT: btvs/ats - fuzzy lovesluggirl on November 28th, 2005 11:18 pm (UTC)
I think I've said it before, but your icon is my favorite thing in the world. Like, ever. omg.
globalfruitbatglobalfruitbat on November 29th, 2005 01:51 am (UTC)
And your icon really makes me want puppet!Angel/Wes fic...soooo bad. (my fandom is all about the slash felt)Is there any? *puppy eyes*
WHAT: btvs/ats - lilah pervsluggirl on November 29th, 2005 10:29 pm (UTC)
Heh. There was a flurry of it around the time Smile Time aired, but I don't remember where any of it is except thebratqueen's thing, which is here. There was a whole ficathon, if I remember correctly, but I don't seem to have it saved anywhere.
globalfruitbatglobalfruitbat on November 29th, 2005 10:47 pm (UTC)
see, that's the trouble with watching Angel all on DVD -- late comers don't get the up to the minute thing...but yay! fic!
WHATsluggirl on November 29th, 2005 10:31 pm (UTC)
Oh here it is: Puppet!Angel ficathon. But I don't know how many of them are Angel/Wes.
Pouncer: Angel Puppetthepouncer on November 28th, 2005 09:18 pm (UTC)
I still deny that Wesley died. I have a multitude of reasons why he came back to life in Northern Virginia (so I could stumble across him and fall in love) and I'm never giving them up. I really liked the fifth season, but I haven't watched it since it aired. It was very apparent at the time that the resolution was rushed, rushed, rushed after they got word they weren't returning. I still sigh over the possibilities for a sixth season, because I thought Illyria was a hoot and loved the angst possibilities for Wesley.
peasant_ on November 28th, 2005 10:31 pm (UTC)
So glad you've seen them and are sharing your thoughts at last :o)

*sigh* I still wish, probably bucking the fannish tide, that they'd changed his character more after he got resouled. Skewed him a bit back towards William, given him a different look and feel. Because for one, we know that his entire lower-class attitude was adopted and unnatural. Granted, he's spent a hundred years refining it, but with his soul back, I feel like some of it would have fallen away.

Interesting. The time he most let his William through was when he was with Giles back in Season 4. Which to an English person actually makes perfect sense. I wonder if we would have had more of that if he had been allowed more scenes with Wes. The thing as I see it is that Spike was doing exactly the same thing as Giles did when he adopted his Ripper personality - rebelling. So the one person he is going to increase the street urchin act with would be Angel - the man he most rebels in front of. I know that most folk see Spike's rebellion as a reaction to his supposed stuffy Victorian life, but being a hopeless A/S shipper I always see it as a reaction against Angelus.

If that makes any sort of sense. It's late and I'm tired. I could well be speaking Mongolian.
fish_23 on November 29th, 2005 12:49 am (UTC)
Unless I now know Mongolian that makes complete sense.

And now I must find a Mongolian person to test this theory.
Fandom: karass or granfalloon. Discuss.sherrold on November 29th, 2005 12:09 am (UTC)
Hey dude -- I'm proud of you! *high fives* you finally did it.

But, but... what will I tease you for *now*?
Anna S.: cupcakeseliade on November 29th, 2005 12:27 am (UTC)
You will totally find something. *g*
fish_23 on November 29th, 2005 12:48 am (UTC)
I'm just so chuffed that you actually watched it. It's like a big tick of completion next to that box.

I think the directors yelled to AD and CC, your angsty and/or evil, whisper lower damn you!

I still wish, probably bucking the fannish tide, that they'd changed his character more after he got resouled.

I agree, I wish there was a bit more of a seperation between the unsouled and souled variety, besides a temporary cease of hair product use for a couple of weeks in Btvs Season Seven as soon as he slipped the jacket on there wasn't much else happening on that front. It's one of the reasons why I wish there was a season six because hopefully they would have spent a bit of time on it, maybe a few shots of Spike sitting by a treated window pane as the sun sets over the city, flute music playing in the background as he blinks back unshed tears, patting a puppy on his lap as his hair soulfully curls over his forehead. A large hand clamping down on his shoulder as Angel moves into frame saying, 'I've been there Spike, I know your pain', and Spike looks back and sadly smiles and then looks again to the view outside as the city falls to dusk.

Did I mention that they're also naked? And puppets.
do you want orcs? because this is how you get orcs: Spangel: Dead Gay Spangelkita0610 on November 29th, 2005 01:58 am (UTC)
You're not a bad Spike fan. He aged. So did Angel. I think...they could have worked that, actually. Soul weariness or something. But they went out in a blaze, didn't they? I miss my dead gay show. Still.
namastenancynamastenancy on November 29th, 2005 04:21 am (UTC)
Season Five. There was NO season five. lalalalalalalala. No listening. lalalalalala. Land of denial. Apocalypse. Nope, never happened.
Bitter. Me. Of course not. I'm completely adult and balanced and still not listening.
lyrstzha: Workplace Illyria: smithereenlyrstzha on November 30th, 2005 10:26 am (UTC)
Illyria was kind of a hoot. I wish I could find that post someone did where she's a customer service phone rep or receptionist. Does anyone have a link to that?

Was that an icon thing? Because if it was, it's probably where I got my icon. If it was a fic thing, I remember that theohara had a great post-Not Fade Away fic that had Illyria as a receptionist. That's pretty much all I can think of.
empresspattiempresspatti on December 2nd, 2005 10:13 pm (UTC)
As much as I like to believe that somehow they survived the tide of demons - I know in my heart that they are dust.

So why do I keep hoping for more Noir? Or for a direct to DVD?

Guess I could buy a comic book.....
Anna S.: alien reseliade on December 12th, 2005 02:53 am (UTC)
As much as I like to believe that somehow they survived the tide of demons - I know in my heart that they are dust.

But a flying saucer could have swept in and--*sigh*.

So why do I keep hoping for more Noir? Or for a direct to DVD?

Direct to DVD...? You mean like a TV movie? :)

Re more noir...er, I'm not sure. *meep*