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21 November 2005 @ 07:24 pm
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Major Lorne is on a 2003 episode of SG-1, "Enemy Mine." Nice casting continuity.

I'm so glad that SG-1 parodied itself with the credit sequence of "Wormhole X-Treme." Because man, its credits are such The Cheese. Especially that first shot of Daniel where he turns his head and purses his lips at the camera OMG SO INTENSE AND DASHING. *laughs*



I go back and forth on Weir. Sometimes she's superbly tough and slaps Sheppard down as she should, or tries really hard to. Other times--and mostly I think I noticed this in season two--she annoys the crap out of me with her less than relevant contributions. Except that I can't think of any examples at the moment, so my observations here are rather lame.

In "Hide and Seek" Weir makes a comment about how John's "one personal item" is the football tape, which is almost immediately contradicted by the shot of him in his quarters with "War and Peace." I'm amused by the idea that someone told Weir she could only take one item, while everyone else packed a trunk. Either that or John smuggled the book through the gate in his pants. Or, oh, maybe John said forlornly to Rodney how he wanted to bring the tape *and* the book and Rodney was like, "Oh hey, just stick it in this box of computer peripherals." So cute. Rodney the Love Smuggler.

Rodney was so tough in early eps. Well, sporadically. But when he was tough, he was tough-tough. Kick-ass cutie tough. Like in "Suspicion" he helps drag John through the gate, and then he's all: "We *have* to go back and rescue Ford and Teyla!" And you can tell he's raring to go himself. Later, he psychs himself up to catch a Wraith with the rest of his team. Plus of course there's his manliness in "Hide and Seek" and other moments that I'm forgetting now.

John is such a dork telling the Athosian kids about Jason, the hockey-masked killer. Wait, let me re-emphasize that: SUCH A DORK. Hee. And wow, he does try really hard to sell himself as a manly football fan, doesn't he? You protest too much, John. You're very very gay.

There are no words for the hotness of John in his all-black outfits with the thigh holster. No. Words. And that early scene when he's on Teyla's homeworld, talking with her in the tent--she says that Sumner looks right through her, and John looks at her and says, "Do I?" Or something like that, because really, it was hard to focus on anything except the FREAKING HOTNESS OF HIS DARK INTENSE GAZE. *whimper*

So--we never actually do see John invite Rodney to be on his team, do we? Or did I blink and miss that? I know I've seen an invite scene in stories, but for some reason I thought there was an actual canon scene.

Those are my random thoughts of the moment.
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Pouncer: Sheppard and McKaythepouncer on November 22nd, 2005 03:29 am (UTC)
No actual invite scene. Weir says something at the end of Rising about how Sheppard will have to give thought to who he wants on his team, and then the next time we see them offworld it's 38 Minutes and Rodney and Ford and Teyla are there.

The dark intense gaze slays me every time.
Anna S.: john-rodney-38-minuteseliade on November 22nd, 2005 03:37 am (UTC)
Not directly related to your comment, but I just remembered something I'd thought about while watching "Suspicion", which is that they say how John's team had encountered the Wraith on something like 5 of 9 missions. And if Rodney was on all those missions, that's quite a rocky field experience for a newbie. I wonder how much it helps explain his later freak-outs if they keep having to run away from life-sucking aliens every time they gate out.
Pouncer: Rodney cutethepouncer on November 22nd, 2005 03:48 am (UTC)
I just posted a story set in that exact time period and Rodney's freakouts were definitely one reason *g*
Anna S.: rodney-sheikeliade on November 22nd, 2005 04:01 am (UTC)
Oh cool--I just read it! Nice fleshing out of that early period--and poor Rodney, forced to run from Ford at stunner-point. *g* I empathize mightily with him.
Pouncer: Imperial Marchthepouncer on November 22nd, 2005 04:16 am (UTC)
I giggled as I wrote that scene. Over and over.
(Anonymous) on November 22nd, 2005 03:31 am (UTC)
Especially that first shot of Daniel where he turns his head and purses his lips at the camera OMG SO INTENSE AND DASHING.

They've finally gotten rid of that for the long credits for S9, and I mourn it. Mourn it, I tell you! Because it is the dorkiest credits shot ever, and so totally wrong, and yet somehow so absolutely appropriate for the drama-queenness that is Daniel Jackson.
Katie M.katie_m on November 22nd, 2005 03:32 am (UTC)
AUGH!
Seriously, didn't LJ used to warn you when you were about to post anonymously? What happened to that?
Anna S.: john-intenseeliade on November 22nd, 2005 03:34 am (UTC)
Re: AUGH!
I'm not sure. Hmmmm. I replied to your other comment though. ;)
Anna S.: daniel-stunningeliade on November 22nd, 2005 03:33 am (UTC)
and yet somehow so absolutely appropriate for the drama-queenness that is Daniel Jackson.

Heee. Good point. *g* Gosh, he is pretty in this ep, btw. With his head-scarf. The head-scarrrrrrf. *stares*
thegrrrl: John in blue shirtthegrrrl2002 on November 22nd, 2005 04:03 am (UTC)
Weir makes a comment about how John's "one personal item" is the football tape, which is almost immediately contradicted by the shot of him in his quarters with "War and Peace."

Plus the Johnny Cash poster that shows up later on in the season. Apparently home decor was big on his mind when he was packing to leave earth for another galaxy on what might actually be a one-way trip. As you said, we're supposed to believe he's straight? (Not to mention the gayest bachelor pad ever that he conjures up for himself in "Home".)



Anna S.: john pretty!eliade on November 22nd, 2005 04:11 am (UTC)
Plus the Johnny Cash poster that shows up later on in the season.

Yes! Though I read one story that put forth the idea that this was actually the item of someone who died, and he decided to keep it and hang it in the guy's honor--Sumner's? I can't remember the story based on that one detail, unfortunately.

I was also going to mention the guitar, but I think that was S2, and possibly showed up after he could have brought it back from his visit to Earth. (?)

Apparently home decor was big on his mind when he was packing to leave earth for another galaxy on what might actually be a one-way trip.

I recently commented somewhere about how they seem to have a ton of personal items and supplies (and plenty of decorative stuff, too), when we saw them *walk* everything through the gate--why didn't they load up some trucks and drive them through, I wonder?

As you said, we're supposed to believe he's straight? (Not to mention the gayest bachelor pad ever that he conjures up for himself in "Home".)

That was quite the Queer Eye pad, wasn't it? *g*
Pouncer: Shep in bluethepouncer on November 22nd, 2005 04:15 am (UTC)
I remember that story about the poster - maybe it was a Flashfic? I've also postulated that Atlantis must have brought some kickass databases with them. Who's to say they didn't just print it out on their superduper giant printer?
rache: john woobie by kaesariawickedwords on November 22nd, 2005 05:14 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it was mine, and yeah, it's a flashfic.
Something Borrowed

and wow, you guys remembered it! I am so happy right now.

Anna S.: foraminiferaeliade on November 22nd, 2005 05:41 am (UTC)
Yes! It stuck in my mind--I love these pebbled details that build up the background mosaic of a universe. Yay, you! :D *nibbles you*
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Josselin Kohljosselin on November 22nd, 2005 04:10 am (UTC)
I hate Weir a lot. Every time I watch SGA I am tempted to write fic just so I could kill Weir off. A while back I had a fic outlined where I made Weir into a religious psycho before I killed her off, but Julad convinced me that writing this would alienate me from the entire fandom, so I refrained. :) (It really had more to do with laziness than fear of fandom alienation, but whatever...)
Anna S.: rodney-happy-smileeliade on November 22nd, 2005 04:13 am (UTC)
I have an unreasonable antipathy to her neck, which I try to overcome. She also has many bad hair days. Though I could say that for so many people that it's hardly worth mentioning, perhaps. *g*
Josselin Kohljosselin on November 22nd, 2005 04:16 am (UTC)
I think it's how she's always so *pointedly* calm that gets me.

Plus, like, does she have any actual personality traits which might make her interesting? She has always felt, to me, like one of those good-role-model-minority characters who can't have any flaws for fear of being un-PC and thus end up being the most boring people ever. I know I've missed a few eps, so maybe I just missed all the spots where she had actual personality.
Anna S.eliade on November 22nd, 2005 04:35 am (UTC)
I don't know that she's always so calm--she can get pretty wrought up. They don't give her much to do, though; she's got a pretty thankless role--and the character a thankless position. Now if Atlantis were to break off from Earth and form its own colony, and/or if they brought more non-Earth peoples to the city, that'd be cool for her. The removal of the Athosian contingent has always made me wonder if the writers waded midstream into that and then went, "But huh, what do we do with them?" Anyway, Weir doesn't go out of the city much, leaving John and Rodney generally covered with all the glory.

Hmm. Was watching her just now in a scene. I think at least 40% of what issues I do have with the character may be with the actress. 30%, 40%. Something like that. Line readings, voice timber and such. But eh. She's not dead to me or anything. I understand about just being rubbed the wrong way by a character or actor though.

Om Shrim Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha: poutyelethe on November 22nd, 2005 07:36 am (UTC)
The twin perils of Weir's early-first-season adams apple and Carson's goitre made it very hard for me to concentrate of SGA for at least eight episodes. I barely noticed John and Rodney and I didn't even register Teyla's ridiculous wigs - that's how freaked out by the two necks I was.

It's a miracle I stuck with it after that.

It wasn't really until a marathon session with the second half of teh season (Defiant One to Seige II) that I started to like the show and could cope with going back and watching without focusing on the adams apple/goitre.

I hated Weir's early hair too. It made me very very uncomfortable in a way that hair really shouldn't make anyone feel. It's horrible when she straightens it.
good enough, just not transcendental: that golden one leads a double lifewalkingshadow on November 22nd, 2005 08:09 am (UTC)
honestly, that sounds like it would be my new favorite story. in case you ever reconsider writing it.
Pouncer: Danielthepouncer on November 22nd, 2005 04:17 am (UTC)
Re: AUGH!
It's the hackeysack shot - Jack just tossed a hackeysack at Daniel to get his attention during a crucial briefing.
Anna S.: daniel-stunningeliade on November 22nd, 2005 04:28 am (UTC)
Re: AUGH!
Ha. I hadn't realized. A candid wtf? response. *g* That's when you're like, "Ohhh mom, don't put *that* photograph in the album!"
SEFsef1029 on November 22nd, 2005 04:17 am (UTC)
But wouldn't someone have to smuggle in the VCR in his pants? Hmm?
Anna S.: john-floaty-dotseliade on November 22nd, 2005 04:24 am (UTC)
They rigged it to a laptop DVD player perhaps. But...the BIG-ASS widescreen TV. Obviously mission-critical equipment, I don't argue with that (sanity-saving device) but still, hard to imagine them wheeling that across next to the medical supply boxes. Hmmyeahhh.
HOT NEW ORC FORTRESS: totally weirded out y'all!unlovablehands on November 22nd, 2005 04:24 am (UTC)
I totally just laughed and spat pear juice all over the place. That's what I get for drinking while reading livejournal, apparently!
Anna S.: john-rodney-38-minuteseliade on November 22nd, 2005 04:27 am (UTC)
Or wait--am I missing the fact that we saw a regular DVD player? And come to think, John could easily have burned a copy of that game to a drive, so how is that even his personal item? What a dumb line. There's really no excuse for it that I can wank up.
Basingstoke: SGA - Rodney is thinkingbasingstoke on November 22nd, 2005 05:27 am (UTC)
The common theory, which I share, is that their one personal item was akin to carryon luggage. You get one thingy of XYZ dimension and whatever you can stuff inside it.
Anna S.: cupcakeseliade on November 22nd, 2005 05:38 am (UTC)
Gotcha. So they had to do the turkey-stuffing magic with their carryons. I'm imagining Rodney's full of chocolate and coffee. I embrace the fanon.
Alizarin_NYC: shep blue with glassesalizarin_nyc on November 22nd, 2005 04:37 am (UTC)
You rock. I love SGA and all its silly foibles much more than is reasonable. It's all Rodney's fault, of course. And your DH icons, too.

I SAW Major Lorne tonight and was like, "is that Major Lorne?" and you've answered my question. So he has off-world experience and is totally cute? Cool. More lines, I say! (And what IS his first name?)

And as for Weir. *sigh* It's like they took this really great idea for a character and then got distraced by the shiny male actors and Teyla's midriff and were like, WTF? People expect us to actually give the Strong Female Character Lead some good lines? Huh?

I want to write "The Incredibly True Tales of Elizabeth Weir" where she keeps a diary per Heightmeyer's instructions and details how she REALLY feels about all the bullshit that she has to put up with.
Mary the Fan: failing hair (peacerose)marythefan on November 22nd, 2005 05:20 am (UTC)
I'm amused by the idea that someone told Weir she could only take one item, while everyone else packed a trunk.

I remember seeing someone speculate that the "personal item" isn't actually a single item, but something more along the lines of an overnight bag that can be the carry-on item you're allowed on an airplane - it's a "single" item while still being stuffed with a whole lot of crap.

Maybe they forgot to explain that loophole to Weir. Heh.
Anna S.: john-sultryeliade on November 22nd, 2005 05:37 am (UTC)
Ahh, that makes sense. :D
Anna S.: rodney-sheikeliade on November 22nd, 2005 05:39 am (UTC)
I belatedly read your icon. *giggles*
Pouncer: Weir in profilethepouncer on November 22nd, 2005 05:59 am (UTC)
No no! Weir brought clothes! And high heels!
namastenancynamastenancy on November 22nd, 2005 09:33 am (UTC)
Poor Weir! Such a badly written character with bad hair, bad clothes and badbadbad lines. I have a hell of a time getting past the aneroxic, hollow cheek look. They are just showing the first season on local channels and the writers just let John run over her. And not in a good way. Of course, I do think that the SG1 and SGA writers, in general, have a hard time with strong women characters but the actress who plays Weir doesn't help matters.
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Doctor Science: Helga Ironpantsmecurtin on November 23rd, 2005 01:41 am (UTC)
the writers know jack-squat about female characters

Would you like some Word sauce with your Wordy McWord?
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raqsraqs on November 23rd, 2005 12:46 am (UTC)
on that shot of daniel - have you seen "zoolander"? 'cause i cannot, CANNOT see those old credits without shouting "BLUE STEEL!" when daniel does his pout into the camera.

though i have a friend who swears it's "le tigre".

(if you haven't seen zoolander now go see it and that'll be damn funny, i swear.)
Anna S.eliade on November 26th, 2005 11:29 pm (UTC)
No, that's *it*--you are so very right. *dies* Though it *could* be Le Tigre too. I'm easy that way. But definitely one or the other.

*is cracked up*
Grey Bardgrey_bard on November 23rd, 2005 07:04 am (UTC)
Actually, "one personal item", at least on very small airplanes*, means one small item of personal luggage - something the size of a briefcase or purse. It could very easily mean that in the case of the Atlantis expedition too.

Frankly "You can have one small carry-on bag" sounds a lot more realistic than "You can only take one piece of stuff! We're checking pockets!". You could probably fit a dvd, a large book and maybe a folded up Johnny Cash poster into a small messenger bag fairly easily.

*This is the exact phrase./i>
good enough, just not transcendental: a clean shave in the morningwalkingshadow on December 2nd, 2005 04:31 am (UTC)
In "Hide and Seek" Weir makes a comment about how John's "one personal item" is the football tape, which is almost immediately contradicted by the shot of him in his quarters with "War and Peace."

i subscribe to the general theory of being allowed to fill a box or bag of given dimensions; in which case weir's "you're allowed one personal item—and you brought this?" could mean he wasted precious space on it (in her opinion), rather than that he chose to bring it instead of anything else. it's just that the word "item" is confusing there. the real problem comes from the books, in that there seems to be two of them. i was spoiled backwards and forwards for the entire first season before i got my hands on the episodes and started watching, so i assumed the book we saw in "hide and seek" was war and peace; but when we finally do get to an explicit mention and a good look at it in "home," it's the barnes & noble classics version, and it doesn't look like the same book we saw him reading before, even if he'd taken the dustjacket off.

i mainly only go the one way when it comes to weir, which is "please do not talk anymore kthx."