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26 October 2005 @ 12:53 pm
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I mentioned recently that I was thinking about scrawling out my SGA fantasies to date, and was encouraged by spike21, who's apparently been holding me hostage until I posted, though this doesn't seem to have the benefit of keeping me out of my office cubicle. Hmph. Where's the fun in being a hostage if I have to work too? Anyway, as I started to outline these I realized with dawning horror the vastness of my inner fantasy life, and quailed and gave up. Besides, the themes are the same as always. I'm entirely predictable. Slavery, hurt/comfort, rape, muteness, gender switching. Even if I end up writing other stuff, that's what plays in my head.

I have had increasingly detailed dialogue accompanying these storylines over the past few weeks. That's usually a precursor to writing even if it takes months for the impulse realize itself, but I don't feel up to writing SGA. It's daunting. Then again I said that about Buffy, and maybe SG1 too. I always say, "It's fine for other authors, it's just not for me, because the canon is challenging and I'd have to do research and stuff, wah wah, etc." The science intimidates me. I'm constantly amazed in this fandom by the authors who conscientiously tackle the heavy physics and math required to write toward a convincing McKay--and sometimes even Sheppard--and usually end up outstripping canon. I get intimidated when I approach a fandom and all the smart authors are playing cutthroat water-polo in the deep end of the pool. I turn into a wallflower.

Anyway, I'd really like to get back to writing Jack/Vaughn. If I weren't such a wrung-out dishrag right now, I'd do that, but nothing feels doable.

Annnnyway. Lunch.
 
 
 
nestra on October 26th, 2005 08:18 pm (UTC)
I'm constantly amazed in this fandom by the authors who conscientiously tackle the heavy physics and math required to write toward a convincing McKay--and sometimes even Sheppard--and usually end up outstripping canon.

You may notice that I either avoid the science altogether, or I turn McKay into a musician.

Anyway, I'd really like to get back to writing Jack/Vaughn.

But this would be fine too.
Anna S.: vaughn-blueeliade on October 26th, 2005 10:37 pm (UTC)
You may notice that I either avoid the science altogether, or I turn McKay into a musician.

*grin* Love, love, love that story. And all your stories. Did I tell you at the time that I loved that story? If not, I suck--which is probable--and tell you again now.
nestra on November 16th, 2005 09:01 pm (UTC)
(Yeah, totally catching up on backlogged comments today.)

Thanks! I love it too, which is sort of not cool to admit, but I'm awfully fond of it.
julia_herejulia_here on October 26th, 2005 08:25 pm (UTC)
Anyway, I'd really like to get back to writing Jack/Vaughn. If I weren't such a wrung-out dishrag right now, I'd do that, but nothing feels doable.

Be assured that any time you feel like doing it, you will have my full and complete attention.

Julia, who guiltily feels as if my efforts to finish the VVaS thing may be sucking the fic energy out of the entire Puget Sound Basin
Helenhelenish on October 26th, 2005 09:04 pm (UTC)
okay, SGA.

I'm trying to approach it in a..uh, canonical way, which is to say, I don't know much about it, and I don't think the show-writers do either, and..hm. A lot of the time, the math and science in stories comes off a little false and overly self-conscious for me, because people are trying too hard. So I'm not going to deal with it unless I feel like it.

And now onto the important part of this - the gender-switch business. I just said to someone last night that I could REALLY go for a solid Rodney-or-John is a girl story, and then spent about an hour thinking about how John would be SO, so, so pretty and delicate, with thin arched eyebrows and the same mouth and Rodney would gruffly ignore it, because that's what you do for friends.

Also, planetary leaders would hit on John all the time. [Not that that doesn't already happen, but he's not very well equipped to deal with it as a girl.]

Also, he'd act gutsy and totally fine with it in public, and get sort of trembly and freaked out when alone, because John is SENSITIVE.

And he'd have to borrow Elizabeth's and Teyla's clothes, but they's still kind of big on him, and he'd refuse to talk to Heightmeyer and, although I don't normally go in for these sorts of TMI things in gender-switch stories, it seems important that Rodney secretly leave some tampons in his quarters that he stole from the women on his team, because he knows John won't ask for them from the store room.

Rodney has a sister! This seems like it could be some kind of useful plot device.

And, finally, and most important, he should get invited to girls' poker night after a few weeks, where, let me point out, Girls Talked About Rodney McKay, Canonically. Anyhow, obviously everyone talks about men, and Katie Brown can be rueful about how it didn't work out with Rodney because he was really great in bed, and then goes on to discuss DETAILS, like, yeah, he's not the Best EVER, and he'll keep licking your neck in a weird place until you have to shout at him to stop, but he's attentive, and tries hard, and he ties really good knots, and he's stronger than he looks. Also, shares a candybar with you, after.

And then after, John teases all the other people they talked about, and tells Zelenka the ladies dig the accent, but he doesn't say anything to Rodney, except to stare at his hands when he thinks he's not looking.

Erm, yeah.

All I got for Rodney-turns-into-a-girl is that he'd e-mail John a list of everyone who looked at his ass, every day. A long list.
cathexys: permutationcathexys on October 26th, 2005 09:23 pm (UTC)
as much as i love genderswap fic, i can't quite see it yet in sga (or maybe the one fic i remember made me run screaming :-) but i thought that in other fandoms as well *g* i learned better!!!

as for the science, i totally agree with you! i've found a few stories where i thought it worked really nicely, but at this point i have real issues with math wizard sheppard, esp. when math is read as walking calculator...but i've ranted about that before, so i'll leave eliade's lj alone...

i think the science can be made up the same way other stuff gets made up...john may be smart, but i don't believe he solves differential equations in his head (though i'll buy and enjoy it if a story does play with it); rodney's very smart, but since most of what he's dealing withis ancient technology and thus not covered by actual real life physics anyway...why not play with them??? (ok, that was supposed to be my heartfelty attempt to encourage you to write...should i go for more excitement and enthusiasm??? :-)
Anna S.: rodney-turtleeliade on October 26th, 2005 09:52 pm (UTC)
Also, planetary leaders would hit on John all the time.

Yes! Diplomatic marriage proposals left and right. All in the interest of cementing alliances of course, and not because the High Chief is checking out her rack.

Katie Brown can be rueful about how it didn't work out with Rodney because he was really great in bed, and then goes on to discuss DETAILS, like, yeah, he's not the Best EVER, and he'll keep licking your neck in a weird place until you have to shout at him to stop, but he's attentive, and tries hard, and he ties really good knots, and he's stronger than he looks. Also, shares a candybar with you, after.

*dies a little death with giggles*

he doesn't say anything to Rodney, except to stare at his hands when he thinks he's not looking.

Tooootally.

All I got for Rodney-turns-into-a-girl is that he'd e-mail John a list of everyone who looked at his ass, every day. A long list.

Tooootally. *grin*
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Anna S.: alien reseliade on October 26th, 2005 10:11 pm (UTC)
I don't know who you are, but I like you already: Yeah.

Oh! Go meet and read helenish. She is cool. *g* It's, er, just possible that I only recently added her to my flist (*waves at Helenish*) but that's only because I never know who has an LJ that I'm not reading. Like, I'll know people for eight years in fandom and one day I'll be like, "Oh, Random-Name-Girl! You have an LJ? And you say it's called, um, random_name_girl? I...didn't know that." And then I facepalm in shame and die a thousand deaths.

Sometimes I want to make a post that says to everyone reading my LJ, "Remind me who the hell you are--ex-wife, first-grade teacher, person who saved me from the bus by pulling me back to the curb?--and ask me why the hell I'm not reading your LJ, damn it!" But it'd be terribly embarrassing. Everyone would glare and hate me because they assume I knew who they were already. I in fact have people friended right now whose "real" identity I've forgotten entirely. Many...many people. And then people name their LJs things like "Rodney the Cranky Turtle," hmmph, and I have *no* way to find out who they are.

*cries*
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bibliokatbibliokat on October 27th, 2005 02:33 am (UTC)
Oooo, you should write the John-girl story! Well you kinda did already, but more!

All I got for Rodney-turns-into-a-girl is that he'd e-mail John a list of everyone who looked at his ass, every day. A long list.

Yep, that'd happen.
silk_knickers: dnasilk_knickers on October 26th, 2005 09:30 pm (UTC)
You write in Alias, which has the world's most convoluted and confusing canon ever in terms of who knows what about whom, and you're intimidated by SGA? Hmm...

First of all, know that all the science in the show is wrong. Like, really really really wrong.

My theory on how the show's writers approach science is as follows:

Step One - Pick up the NY Times science section
Step Two - Find a word in one of the articles that sounds scientific.
Step Three - Read enough of the article to have a vague idea what that word means, without actually understanding it.
Step Four - Write an entire episode around that word.

This, I am convinced, is how we got retroviruses that turn people into bug creatures.

So don't sweat the science by any means. Make something up; it's what the show's real writers do.
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zvi LikesTVzvi_likes_tv on October 26th, 2005 09:59 pm (UTC)
As other people have said…SGA is all about the handwave science, dude. If you make something up, it will be very, very difficult for you to have it make less scientific sense than what is getting aired on tv.
Anna S.: rateliade on October 26th, 2005 10:04 pm (UTC)
the handwave science

Oh man. I love that phrase! I must adopt it and feed it until it grows big and strong. If it isn't in the fannish lexicon already it should be. *g*
Bone: Ronon (Pigpen)thisisbone on October 26th, 2005 10:36 pm (UTC)
The science intimidates me. I'm constantly amazed in this fandom by the authors who conscientiously tackle the heavy physics and math required to write toward a convincing McKay--and sometimes even Sheppard--and usually end up outstripping canon.

Can I just say Amen to this? I'm awed at what I read in this fandom.

Also, can I say that I had to drop high school chemistry after three days when it became clear that I had no idea what a molecule was, and that I scored a 390 in math on the GRE? That put me in the 12th percentile nationwide (Or, as I said to my mom, "78% of the people who took that test did better than I did!" She gently reminded me that it actually meant that 88% had done better than me...)

Algebra II was my last math. I flunked every lab exam I took in college botany.

You may have noticed that the way I get around it is just to write in Ronon's POV, since my guess is he didn't get much past Algebra II and Botany, either. ;)
Anna S.: daniel-stunningeliade on October 26th, 2005 10:39 pm (UTC)
That put me in the 12th percentile nationwide (Or, as I said to my mom, "78% of the people who took that test did better than I did!" She gently reminded me that it actually meant that 88% had done better than me...)

You just made me spurt a laugh. *g*

Ronon's POV, since my guess is he didn't get much past Algebra II and Botany, either. ;)

Ahhh, Ronon is to you what Jack O'Neill was to me. Good times, good times. *g*
pete and gabe's collaborative dicks: shep hmminlovewithnight on October 26th, 2005 11:00 pm (UTC)
SGA makes me nervous too, which is why I tend to write really odd little character-focused vignettes that don't need a plot. Also, why I don't write McKay. Scary.

And Jack/Vaughn is LOVE!
Anna S.eliade on October 26th, 2005 11:54 pm (UTC)
Your icon! Is love. *g*

And Jack/Vaughn is LOVE!

And that too.

Alizarin_NYC: mcshep peckalizarin_nyc on October 26th, 2005 11:20 pm (UTC)
"Handwave Science." Exactly. Never fear.

And the fandom is so very cool, that you can write Harlequin stories, make them eat cotton candy, overdo their hair gel and STILL get a lotta love. Which is a good thing. Plus: slavery, h/c, all that? Loved.
WesleysGirl: SGAwesleysgirl on October 26th, 2005 11:24 pm (UTC)
The science intimidates me. I'm constantly amazed in this fandom by the authors who conscientiously tackle the heavy physics and math required to write toward a convincing McKay--and sometimes even Sheppard--and usually end up outstripping canon. I get intimidated when I approach a fandom and all the smart authors are playing cutthroat water-polo in the deep end of the pool. I turn into a wallflower.

*Crawls underneath the bed vowing never to come out again.* Because if YOU are intimated by the science in SGA, I sure as hell don't belong there. *Whimper*
Anna S.: sunseteliade on October 26th, 2005 11:54 pm (UTC)
*Crawls underneath the bed vowing never to come out again.* Because if YOU are intimated by the science in SGA, I sure as hell don't belong there. *Whimper*

Yes, but I also fear paper spiders and stray pebbles, so you should take my statements with a grain of salt. *g*
WesleysGirl: Seasonalwesleysgirl on October 26th, 2005 11:58 pm (UTC)
And then there's that whole thing where I can't spell "intimidated." *Snort*

And if it makes you feel better, I'm afraid of lightbulbs. Well, of the process of taking out an old one and putting in a new one.

*Smooch*
kittygoslingp on October 27th, 2005 02:20 am (UTC)
Over the last week or so I have re-read all of your Jack/Vaughan fic in a very successful attempt to soothe and distract myself from real life scariness - thank you.
bibliokatbibliokat on October 27th, 2005 02:35 am (UTC)
The science intimidates me. I'm constantly amazed in this fandom by the authors who conscientiously tackle the heavy physics and math required to write toward a convincing McKay--and sometimes even Sheppard--and usually end up outstripping canon.

I'm also awestruck by the science people can come up with. But I bet you could make up something and we wouldn't really have a problem with it (or in my case, be able to tell). Or, best of all, just write AUs! I *LOVE* AUs!

You're an awesome writer! You can do it! And your Jack/Vaughn is fun too;)
Sarapanisdead on October 27th, 2005 03:49 am (UTC)
The science intimidates me. I'm constantly amazed in this fandom by the authors who conscientiously tackle the heavy physics and math

Hmm. I'm usually highly impressed as I skim blithely through it. It may make for good characterization, but often not so much for an interesting read.
darluludarlulu on October 27th, 2005 07:58 am (UTC)
Eee Jack/Vaughn!!!!!