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24 June 2005 @ 02:10 pm
story ingredients, i.e., non-smutty kinks  
Tonight I'll go home and write. When I do, I need...stuff. I have some ideas for the shape of the next J/V part, but I seem to be in audience-participation mode these days. So, I'm wondering what kind of things you'd like to see. *Your* ideas, not mine.

Though just to type what I'm thinking of--it's like the story is a recipe, and there are all these ingredients from a tiny pinch of salt to cups and cups of flour. So it could be anything from shoulder rubs to mission scenarios, or another outbreak of office homophobia, or grocery shopping.

Basically I'm just copying poshcat, who recently asked people to describe the non-smutty kinks that they liked to read (or watch, etc). The ones I listed in response to her post, for example, were:
  • Ensembles that work like a well-oiled machine, like in the movie Sneakers.
  • Competence.
  • Big, strong, *very* tough tough-guys (e.g., mercenaries) who are total gentlemen. E.g., who'll thrash wife-beaters to teach them to respect women. The kind of guy you'd assume to be a total homophobic redneck asshole who is actually completely tolerant of gays & all races.
Even if you aren't reading the J/V, this kind of thing would be fascinating for me, for future reference in other fandoms too. :)
 
 
 
Zoë Raynez_rayne on June 24th, 2005 09:21 pm (UTC)
Non-smutty kinks?

- The charming, affable guy who can turn into a stone-cold killer when necessary.
- Intelligence.
- Justified arrogance (*cough*Rodney McKay*cough*).
- Communicating without words (like your "ensembles that work like a well-oiled machine"; and speaking of which, have you seen Foolproof?).
- Snarky banter.
- A willingness to die for someone they love (but not in a mushy, Harlequin-style-romance way; in a gritty, harsh, Darien-Fawkes-injecting-himself-to-save-Bobbyhobbes kind of way).

Those are the ones that come immediately to mind. *g*
Anna S.: vincent_ventrescaeliade on June 24th, 2005 09:22 pm (UTC)
- The charming, affable guy who can turn into a stone-cold killer when necessary.

Oh so very *yes*.

and speaking of which, have you seen Foolproof?).

No! I'll check it out. :)

in a gritty, harsh, Darien-Fawkes-injecting-himself-to-save-Bobbyhobbes kind of way).

*whimper* God, I love that episode.
Zoë Rayne: john touch and diez_rayne on June 24th, 2005 09:26 pm (UTC)
Zoe: - The charming, affable guy who can turn into a stone-cold killer when necessary.
Anna: Oh so very *yes*.

See, and that's my vision of John Sheppard. Wait 'til you get to...Siege I & II, I think. There's this moment. Guh. Oh, and there's some of that in The Storm and The Eye, too.
Anna S.: rodney-mckayeliade on June 24th, 2005 09:23 pm (UTC)
OH MY GOD! Foolproof has Ryan Reynolds *and* David Hewlett! I am *so* renting that this weekend. Thank you!
Zoë Rayne: rodney hotz_rayne on June 24th, 2005 09:31 pm (UTC)
David's role (I originally had the word "part" instead of "role," but every time I re-read it, I thought to myself, "That's kind of making unwarranted assumptions, isn't it?" *g*) is rather small, but he's adorable in it, in kind of a...creepy perv kind of way. *g*

And Ryan Reynolds is teh hott. OMG. And despite a lame attempt at a het 'ship, the movie is totally, totally slashy--like, multiple (sometimes conflicting) relationships slashy. Yes. It's not the most brilliant caper movie ever, but I liked it quite a bit.
abbyleeabbylee on June 24th, 2005 09:27 pm (UTC)
I love when you have your men interact with the rest of the cast. Don't leave them out! ♥
Raven: Emily Meraveninthewind on June 24th, 2005 09:37 pm (UTC)
You're hitting a lot of my kinks already in this story (e.g., protective!Jack; Vaughn starting to recognize how very well he knows Jack; Jack with his unexpected vulnerabilities; Dominant but not oppressive!Jack...mmmm).

In general: Unexpected (but subtle) domesticity from tough guys is hot. I like lots of melt-your-knees making out without actual sex--anticipation is a wonderful thing. A little jealousy/territoriality is always nice. ;) I like humor.

I'm with Zoe: snarky dialog makes me so very happy, which is why I loved Sydney and Vaughn grinning over Sark a few parts back.

I think...from Bona Fides, I want Syd to catch Jack and Vaughn in some intimacy (maybe nonsexual). I'd love more Weiss interaction, with J or V.--maybe a mirror scene with Jack to the confrontation between Syd and Vaughn in the last part.

Malkin Greymalkingrey on June 24th, 2005 09:43 pm (UTC)
Kinks. Hmmm....

I'm a total sucker for the "two long-time enemies join forces to fight a greater common foe" plotline . . . I suspect it's one of the reasons I was on board for the Spuffy as early as BtVS Season Two.

Like you, I enjoy watching competence at work.

I like quiet scholarly well-mannered types who turn out to be hard men in a fight underneath. (The Brits do this one so very well . . . you'd think they had a copyright on it or something.)

I like characters who have a history of searching for transcendence in all the wrong places. (Or, why I liked the 1994 Alec Baldwin version of The Shadow so very much. And of course, once again, Spike.)

And I like characters whose world-weariness and quiet cynicism and black humor only serve to cover a bedrock passionate idealism underneath.
ReginaGiraffereginagiraffe on June 24th, 2005 09:53 pm (UTC)
I like quiet moments at home; reading together on the couch, making a meal.

I like moments of crisis, where the two guys are just clicking, finishing each other's sentences, the first guy knowing exactly what the other guy is doing and where he's going to be.

I like "guy love moments", not mushy love words, but snarky banter that real guys would use that nonetheless shows just how much they care.
stultiloquentia on June 24th, 2005 09:57 pm (UTC)
Oh man, competence. Yes. Teamwork.

Dinner parties. Or not dinner parties, necessarily, but groups of old friends cooking together, or lolling around with beer and maybe a scrabble board, arguing and teasing and totally at ease. They're the only reason I watch Hugh Grant movies.

People not giving a damn if someone makes a wrong assumption about their sexuality, as in Angel 1x12 -- "Adds mystery."
alittlebritonalittlebriton on June 24th, 2005 10:16 pm (UTC)
I love people playing on their sexuality, like when your Vaughn asked your Sark to dance.

Someone silently witnessing a moment between Jack and Vaughn, when they are concentrating more on Jack and how he is acting. Just so that their feelings are seen by someone else.

An ability to assemble a gun in less than thirty seconds.

Self voyeurism. That may have wandered into the smut-likes. Sorry.
Anna S.: agent-coopereliade on June 25th, 2005 06:15 am (UTC)
Self voyeurism. That may have wandered into the smut-likes. Sorry.

No worries. *g* What is it, anyway? I'm not sure I understand the concept.
alittlebritonalittlebriton on June 25th, 2005 04:13 pm (UTC)
One word: mirrors. Always nice to see the effect you are having on a another person without having to face them ;-)
Neuroses on Paradesypher798 on June 24th, 2005 11:30 pm (UTC)
I totally agree. Those are my non-smut kinks in stories.

I love the 2 enemies forced to work together (see Angel Season 5) I just love the UST and the bantering, the whole "I love you/I hate you," thing.


I, too have a kink for the brainy brawlers such as Giles or Wesley in the later seasons of Angel. It shows that everyone has depth. More than one layer, which I love no one is just one thing all the time. You put anyone through a series of different scenarios their behavior (not necessarily their belief structure) changes--it's human nature.

And I love optimistic idealists that are buried under cynicism and snark. They have hope even though their past experiences, should have robbed them of it long ago.
julia_herejulia_here on June 25th, 2005 01:00 am (UTC)
Hmmm... reading your kinks goes a long way to explain why I find your writing so satisfying, since they closely match mine.

I've also got a major kink for adaptive conflict- the kind of little negotiations in a relationship where people understand their differences and accept them for what they are. I'd say that the last two chapters of "Short Cuts" demonstrate that dynamic very well.

Julia, probably others but I'll have to think about them when I'm slightly brighter
Jack Pride: SGA: smart=sexy (courtknee)jack_pride on June 25th, 2005 06:08 am (UTC)
Attempting not to duplicate half the ones above with which I heartily agree (nor the other half, which with I also agree...)

- Loyalty, whatever the cost, to specific people (Jack's to Sydney, for example).
- Random non-sexual incidental touching (brushing shoulders as they pass, a hand on his hip as you reach past, etc.)
- A push-and-pull power dynamic, where they flow between who's calling the shots (yes, I'm talking out of bed, still!) is fluid and depends on circumstances.
- Allowing the intimacy of the relationship (and resulting vulnerability) to be witnessed by others.
- Can't... resist... Everything you, z_rayne, and alittlebriton said. Mmm.
Anaxila / Babblesanaxila on June 26th, 2005 12:28 am (UTC)
Big, strong, *very* tough tough-guys (e.g., mercenaries) who are total gentlemen. E.g., who'll thrash wife-beaters to teach them to respect women. The kind of guy you'd assume to be a total homophobic redneck asshole who is actually completely tolerant of gays & all races.

OMG, totally. ::nods::

This reminds me, I have the new Jack Reacher book on my bedside table.

::flounces off to read::