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16 February 2005 @ 06:16 pm
Angel: Ground State  
"Ground State" is a strange episode. It's like...filler, but not. The point of the episode was to get the glowy artifact so that they had a way to find Cordelia, but they could have spent much less time on that and focused much more of the episode on the main characters instead of Gwen. I mean, WTF was up with the whole "Angel's beating heart!" stuff, and the kiss? It's also strange how "The House Always Wins" follows this up, with Angel utterly blithe as he offers his anecdotes of Vegas. It makes me think: well, dude, if you're going to be that casual so soon after your failure to find Cordy, why don't we just scratch "Ground State" off the menu entirely? I mean, do we have to have an entire episode based around an attempt to find Cordelia if he's going to blow it off so easily an ep later? Why not go straight to the Vegas ep, with the idea that finding Lorne first might help them better prep for the Cordelia search, and then they could come back and find out that she's already there?

I don't know if I'm making sense, but it's a lame sort of follow-up to the great season opener.

I'm watching "Slouching Toward Bethlehem" now, just a few minutes in. I don't remember anything about it, really.

Vampires with an opportunistic tow-truck business. Ha.
 
 
 
do you want orcs? because this is how you get orcs: Heroes by Debvelkita0610 on February 17th, 2005 02:41 am (UTC)
I think those eps and their order were effected by WTF was going on with CC IRL.

Slouching, OTOH? ROCKING fucking ep, man.

God I miss my dead gay show. *weeps*
Anna S.eliade on February 17th, 2005 03:31 am (UTC)
Um, somehow I answered your comment by answering my own post--so, you know, if you want to read it, just visit this page again. *g*
Tuesday Has No Phones: dead gay showthebratqueen on February 17th, 2005 02:43 am (UTC)
I can't help but wonder if issues like that were part and parcel of why the initial showrunner of s4 didn't work and was thankfully given the boot.

And IMO the less remembered about STB, the better. Not my fav ep by a long shot.
Anna S.: weseliade on February 17th, 2005 03:33 am (UTC)
What things--out of curiosity--were turn-offs for STB? If you remember. :>) It's kind of eh, so far--almost to the end now. A few good lines, but Cordy isn't realy gelling for me, amnesia or now, and I have to wonder if that's an actor issue. I think you and Kita are on the same page--attributing the early season issues to real-life problems.
Tuesday Has No Phones: dead gay showthebratqueen on February 17th, 2005 02:25 pm (UTC)
I found the whole handling of the amnesia thing to be pain-inducing. I rank StB up there with Fredless, in which the idea of the episode wasn't bad per se, but how it ended up appearing on my screen made me want to go to LA, take them by the shoulders, and demand to know WTF.

Granted, with Fredless it's because of how the episode is simply riddled with errors and bad characterization. For StB it's more due to how the entire thing is an idiot plot (which Ebert defines as " Any plot containing problems which would be solved instantly if all of the characters were not idiots") combined with what seems to be to be trying way too hard to let us all know how wacky it all is.

I think another problem of it was that it was basically an ep sacrificed to move the characters into the right place for upcoming plotlines. So really there was only so much good it could have been, and the fact that it fell down on the job in a couple of places only makes the bad quality stand out that much more.
Anna S.eliade on February 17th, 2005 03:35 am (UTC)
"amnesia or not" that should have been...
yourlibrarian: Dreamer by awmpyourlibrarian on February 17th, 2005 03:12 am (UTC)
I always thought the whole Cordelia arc of S4 was in a constant state of tinkering, and it shows. There were some great moments that season but it seemed poorly plotted. For starters I thought Angel recovered from his ordeal far too quickly, especially given that Wesley had stated that he would be suffering psychologically. (Guess they didn't want to start off both ME shows with crazy vampires).
Anna S.: spikeeliade on February 17th, 2005 03:35 am (UTC)
I always thought the whole Cordelia arc of S4 was in a constant state of tinkering, and it shows.

That seems to be the consensus. *g*

For starters I thought Angel recovered from his ordeal far too quickly, especially given that Wesley had stated that he would be suffering psychologically. (Guess they didn't want to start off both ME shows with crazy vampires).

Good point. I thought that too. But I put it down to my whole Angel issue--where he's Super!Vamp and can kill werewolves with a ball-point pen. *eye roll* Sometimes canon just peeves me off, even when I *want* to like the man.

Mm, your icon is pretty, btw.
Luminosity: holdhandssockkpuppett on February 17th, 2005 04:10 am (UTC)
Now see? This is where I disagree. I think the entire season (canonically) was a reflection of Angel's massive fucked-uppedness. He was easily led, indecisive while looking decisive, and angry beyond measure. At everybody.

I think S4 was very uneven, but it reminds the season closest to my heart because the fuck ups just kept coming. Everybody lost something, and there was just so much angst. Of course, I keep my meta and in-the-universe separated. It's the only way I can deal. In the meta sense, the shit going on with CC and the production staff had to contribute to its unevenness. And for the record, I liked STB, but not half as much as I liked Supersymmetry, and Deep Down... my GOD. That entire ep...

Yes, yes. I'm still in Angel's thrall. Never mind me. :)
Luminosity: euphoriasockkpuppett on February 17th, 2005 04:12 am (UTC)
*remains* remains I'm on muscle relaxants and can't type worth a shit tonight.
Anna S.: scary_girleliade on February 17th, 2005 04:16 am (UTC)
*g* I'm watching "Supersymmetry" now! I'm always keen and eager to love stuff. I hate when I can't. I hope I love this season on the rewatching. Especially the Jasmine arc the second time around. Heh.
yourlibrarianyourlibrarian on February 18th, 2005 01:05 am (UTC)
he's Super!Vamp and can kill werewolves with a ball-point pen. *eye roll* Sometimes canon just peeves me off

Canon can be inconvenient *g* but it's really canonical inconsistency that bothers me more, such as Super!Vamp being so beaten up by Kendra that he can't get out of a simple wire cage and is still, what, weak and recovering when Willy hands him over to Spike? And of course Spike is Super!Vamp unless he's fighting with Buffy in which case he can get put out of a fight with far less than the usual effort. It's probably "star of the show" syndrome going on in some cases.

Mm, your icon is pretty, btw.

Hard to go wrong with that subject ;> Kudos goes to awmp
Anna S.: gileseliade on February 17th, 2005 03:30 am (UTC)
I think those eps and their order were effected by WTF was going on with CC IRL.

I wondered about that. I think you're right--it does show.

I'm 32 minutes into STB. Cordelia's asking "Do I have brothers and sisters? What's my favorite food? Who was my first kiss?" Which is fascinatingly meta because we don't know either. Cool and not cool--it'd be great to know that, as flesh to the character, but of course *not* knowing lets us invent that, and sometimes that's exactly what we want to do.

Mm, yeah.
do you want orcs? because this is how you get orcs: Angel is Sexkita0610 on February 17th, 2005 04:06 am (UTC)
I just love the FORESHADOWY-ness of that ep. That whole season works best as a - well, whole. You watch Deep Down and then you watch Home and you go Holy Shit. They did have this whole arc planned, didn't they? The other stuff- CC phoning in her lines, the whacky incontinuity, etc. is unfortunate, but doesn't detract from the huge mythology of it when you eat it all in one big chocolatey meta bite.
Anna S.eliade on February 17th, 2005 04:14 am (UTC)
I'm looking forward to watching it all. :>) I'm still having trouble with things I had trouble with before, like Gunn/Fred (and can you believe I first wrote "Gunn/Wes" heh!), which is a shame, because I'd love to love Gunn/Fred. :>(

But yay, the love of Joss.

Am watching "Supersymmetry" now and Angel is showing off his eidetic memory. *eye roll* Okay, sure, Angel.

(*g*)
do you want orcs? because this is how you get orcs: Super!Masterkita0610 on February 17th, 2005 04:22 am (UTC)
Am watching "Supersymmetry" now and Angel is showing off his eidetic memory. *eye roll* Okay, sure, Angel.

I admit to being baffled as to the significance of that. OTOH, anytime Angel can be a heroic dork, I am all for it.

Gunn/Fred will never be interesting.
Tuesday Has No Phones: dead gay showthebratqueen on February 17th, 2005 02:30 pm (UTC)
I also have to give major, MAJOR props to Angel for the fact that they had about as much behind the scenes problems going on as Buffy did, up to and including never being 100% certain if they were going to be renewed, and they still managed to turn out a stellar season without it being obvious onscreen that something was up (other than CC phoning it in, but that's arguably a separate issue).

Compare that to Buffy s7 which got its behind the scenes problems, choked on them, and pretty much staggered its way through 22 eps before coughing up a final ep that wasn't too disgusting a hairball.

I liked Buffy (character and show) but I'll take Angel any day.
Trepkostrepkos on February 17th, 2005 02:07 pm (UTC)
It seemed to me that they'd decided what confrontations they wanted to set up, and were determined to fit them in, however much they had to torture the plot and make fools of the audience to do it. Didn't like this season.